Religious Disaffiliation in the US

Ok. What does this have to do with wearing a hat in a church building?
Gramps, you compared the Jerusalem temple to the modern church house. I'm sorry, but I think it's a bad comparison.


Can you clarify what you are saying. Are you trying to say that someone wearing a hat is comparable to bringing your worst?


I could care less if a church has a higher standard of dress or is come as you are. Crush's point was perfect.
When someone says they don't like people wearing hats in church, fine. That is an issue of tradition. When they attempt to say that it interferes with our relationship or access to worship then I have a major problem.



Respectful is another issue. If a church practices a formal dress, then sure. But churches have moved away from that, and continue to do so. I hear people regularly complain about churches that are casual in it's practice and dress. I know, I used to be one. I'm more comfortable dressing nice, but that is simply personal preference. I still take my hat off when I pray. It doesn't actually bring me closer to God.

I taught children's Sunday school for over 12 years. Many kids would wear shorts, ball caps, flip flops etc. It used to really bother me. Then I thought, who am I to judge. These kids are comfortable. They wear flip flops, ball caps to school and at home. Why should I give them the impression that God is far off and that our dress is needed to draw us close. Instead, I wanted my kids to feel "at home" in the church house.

Further, you will never hear the term "church" used to describe a place. The church is the people. The early church met in homes for the most part. So, when you say "in church," I have problems with the whole notion.



I want to argue against anything I see as meaningless and useless traditions that have alienated the church from the lost. For too long the church has confused it's tradition and practice for things that are sacred, and quite frankly I've lost my patience with it. And I don't mean to direct that towards you, personally. I apologize if I've offended. But we need to really rethink things, or before long the church in the US will look like Europe. Empty buildings.

I have the privilege of going into the urban communities every week to preach the gospel. I've done this for 10 years and let me assure you that we have 'church,' and more so than most places do on Sunday morning. Many of these same people want nothing to do with your (I'm using 'your' in a general sense) idea of church. Sorry if that offends.


Gramps, that's the point. A person can dress nice, look nice, and conform to everything we see as 'decent' and be a complete hypocrite. BTW, we are all hypocrites. What does the bible say. God doesn't judge by what is on the outside, but......


I am done with all this hat talk. As I have stated now for the 3rd time, IMO:
1. I think it is disrespectful.
2. Someone wearing a hat will not keep God away.

Years ago I went to church where several men that wore overalls. It was the best they had. I recall some very spiritual testimonies from some of those gentleman. I wear jeans and a nice shirts at times. I have not stated nor meant to imply one HAS to dress a certain way to attend church. I do think out of respect one should dress respectfully and I do think their is Biblical backing that I pointed out earlier, you don't agree. That is fine, disagreeing will not send neither one of us to hell.


I do disagree strongly that we are all hypocrites.

hypocrite definition:
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

We all sin but we do not all pretend to be something we are not.
 
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I am done with all this hat talk. As I have stated now for the 3rd time, IMO:
1. I think it is disrespectful.
2. Someone wearing a hat will not keep God away.

Years ago I went to church where several men that wore overalls. It was the best they had. I recall some very spiritual testimonies from some of those gentleman. I wear jeans and a nice shirts at times. I have not stated nor meant to imply one HAS to dress a certain way to attend church. I do think out of respect one should dress respectfully and I do think their is Biblical backing that I pointed out earlier, you don't agree. That is fine, disagreeing will not send neither one of us to hell.


I do disagree strongly that we are all hypocrites.

hypocrite definition:
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

We all sin but we do not all pretend to be something we are not.


Glad to hear from you gramps. We see this the same way. The Lord will use conviction to correct His children. Newcomers need to be welcomed with the love of Christ and not judged or belittled. Love them to Christ...he will shape and mold them in His image as the Truth is revealed from Gods word. Praying that Gods will be done in someones life is the kindest thing you can do for someone. Jesus loves us all. All have sinned and fall short. Glory be to Him who loved me while i was yet a sinner.
 
Gramps, good to see you ol' timer. ;)

Glad to hear from you gramps. We see this the same way. The Lord will use conviction to correct His children. Newcomers need to be welcomed with the love of Christ and not judged or belittled. Love them to Christ...he will shape and mold them in His image as the Truth is revealed from Gods word. Praying that Gods will be done in someones life is the kindest thing you can do for someone. Jesus loves us all. All have sinned and fall short. Glory be to Him who loved me while i was yet a sinner.

It is nice to be back posting a little.

:hi:
 
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But we need to really rethink things, or before long the church in the US will look like Europe. Empty buildings.

have you been to Europe? My sister has been over there for 6 months and she tells me this is anything but what is going on over there. yeah a lot of the big old churches are empty but there are plenty of others with full congregations.
 
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Yes, Jesus did tear down the wall of separation. I think it was for a different reason than you are describing in your post.

That wall was torn down as part of the way to change us from living under the law to the grace system.

The priest were all that was allowed to be in the most holy part of the Temple. We no longer need a priest to intervene for us. Jesus is the only mediator their is between man and the Father. No man can or has the authority to tell anyone their sins are forgiven.

which is one of the biggest issues I have with the Catholic church as opposed to Protestant church. Catholics still require a priest to intervene for you but these are strictly man-constructed rules.
 
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which is one of the biggest issues I have with the Catholic church as opposed to Protestant church. Catholics still require a priest to intervene for you but these are strictly man-constructed rules.

require? news to me, funny that my priests have always put the responsibility of interacting with God on me. yes we believe a priest CAN intervene (I don't like that word in this application too much) but most things a priest can do we can do as well, they are just formally trained in it.
 
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have you been to Europe? My sister has been over there for 6 months and she tells me this is anything but what is going on over there. yeah a lot of the big old churches are empty but there are plenty of others with full congregations.

So, your sister and not the large amount of data and study is what we should pay attention to?
 
so would taking off the helmet hurt your prayer? if not why do it? (pretty sure you are being sarcastic)

Very sarcastic.
I think it's admirable that you posture yourself for prayer and study. Nothing wrong with that. If that is what works for you and your spiritual growth then by all means, keep it up.
 
Then we need one in here. He can tell us if a hat gets in the way.










Sorry... Had to. :)
Wait a minute?
How did someone miss this joke?
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require? news to me, funny that my priests have always put the responsibility of interacting with God on me. yes we believe a priest CAN intervene (I don't like that word in this application too much) but most things a priest can do we can do as well, they are just formally trained in it.

Maybe the word "required" was a poor choice but you get my point
 
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