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McDad said:
I agree with you again especially where daddy Bush and McCain are concerned. For Romney and W, i seem to recall some rumblings about Romney`s Mormon-ism and W's Evangelical-ism. When I think of "theocrat", I think of Pat Robertson. I fully expect there is no way the country elects him (or someone like him) for president. At this point, Im not sure Cruz is a theocrat.
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I'm not familar enough with him to say either way, though I don't think his father will help him much in avoiding the label, fair or not.
 
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hog88 said:
The constitution never defined "natural born". You're a lawyer haven't you read it?
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Honestly, I don't much care.

My point is that, if the argument from the TPers is that Cruz is "natural-born" because his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, regardless of where he was born, then by definition so is Obama.

They seem to have had no problem screeching to anyone who would listen that Obama was ineligible. Now, suddenly, they have seen the error of their ways, and I just find their hypocrisy on this point monumentally disgusting.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Honestly, I don't much care.

My point is that, if the argument from the TPers is that Cruz is "natural-born" because his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth, regardless of where he was born, then by definition so is Obama.

They seem to have had no problem screeching to anyone who would listen that Obama was ineligible. Now, suddenly, they have seen the error of their ways, and I just find their hypocrisy on this point monumentally disgusting.
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who is "they" and were "they" taken seriously by anybody outside of their own echo chambers? Were "they" mainstream Tea Party leaders? Were "they" members of the GOP leadership?

The one person you can point to is Donald Trump, and he isn't conservative, he isn't in the Tea Party, and he never would have secured the GOP nomination.
 
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Hillary is elated. The GOP establishment and moderate wing of the GOP is disappointed and fearful.

Conservatives are rejoicing not only to his candidacy but the chagrin of the establishment.

He is a pretty ironic candidate for Conservatives to latch onto given the birther campaign, the criticism of inexperience (one-term Senator), lack of legislative accomplishments (minus filibustering), elitist (Harvard Law), and being quite divisive.

The last part is going to his Achilles heel. To win the Presidency and have a successful administration, one has to be able to build a coalition and unite people to get things done. Since being elected to the Senate, he has done nothing but piss off is fellow Republicans (not to mention Democrats). Conservatives love him for it. However, being disruptive in the Senate is quite a different animal than campaigning for and being POTUS.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Hillary is elated. The GOP establishment and moderate wing of the GOP is disappointed and fearful.

Conservatives are rejoicing not only to his candidacy but the chagrin of the establishment.

He is a pretty ironic candidate for Conservatives to latch onto given the birther campaign, the criticism of inexperience (one-term Senator), lack of legislative accomplishments (minus filibustering), elitist (Harvard Law), and being quite divisive.

The last part is going to his Achilles heel. To win the Presidency and have a successful administration, one has to be able to build a coalition and unite people to get things done. Since being elected to the Senate, he has done nothing but piss off is fellow Republicans (not to mention Democrats). Conservatives love him for it. However, being disruptive in the Senate is quite a different animal than campaigning for and being POTUS.
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Yeah, but he read Dr. Seuss via C-SPAN to his kids.

How cool was that?
 
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McDad said:
I agree with you again especially where daddy Bush and McCain are concerned. For Romney and W, i seem to recall some rumblings about Romney`s Mormon-ism and W's Evangelical-ism. When I think of "theocrat", I think of Pat Robertson. I fully expect there is no way the country elects him (or someone like him) for president. At this point, Im not sure Cruz is a theocrat.
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None of them wore their faith on their sleeve. W was as close as you got and it was through Ralph Reed and his push to be a "values voter" candidate. Rove made sure W said and did what was needed to keep them on board. W was not rabid social conservative but he placated this group enough to keep them on board. As I mentioned before, Rove's philosophy was to stay to the right to make sure that base showed up in 2004.

Cruz on the other hand definitely wears his faith on his sleeve. He is far more vocal on this driving his views and positions. He is a member of one of the most conservative SBC churches in the US - FBC of Houston. I am not sure what really defines a 'theocrat' in today's sense but he has no qualms about spelling out the Bible as his guiding voice in his moves whether it be abortion, marriage, or even foreign policy. The foreign policy part is what scares me the most about him. Based on his past statements alone I think we will lose allies in the Middle East and could have an even colder relationship with several nations if not at war with a few.
 
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gcbvol said:
I'm not familar enough with him to say either way, though I don't think his father will help him much in avoiding the label, fair or not.
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Rafael could be Ted's equivalent for Jeremiah Wright - the guy who opponents and media refer to as being the influencer of the candidate with the quotes not considered mainstream. Not sure Ted wants to have everything focus on his dad's views instead of his own.
 
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Meh.

He is not going to get the nomination. Hell I doubt he makes it to the first round of debates.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Rafael could be Ted's equivalent for Jeremiah Wright - the guy who opponents and media refer to as being the influencer of the candidate with the quotes not considered mainstream. Not sure Ted wants to have everything focus on his dad's views instead of his own.
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All he has to do is distance himself like Obama did with Wright. Right?

I am sure the media will follow the same pattern of blissful ignorance wih Rafael as with Wright.

Pretty cool the Cruz's dad is a TMNT.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Hillary is elated. The GOP establishment and moderate wing of the GOP is disappointed and fearful.

Conservatives are rejoicing not only to his candidacy but the chagrin of the establishment.

He is a pretty ironic candidate for Conservatives to latch onto given the birther campaign, the criticism of inexperience (one-term Senator), lack of legislative accomplishments (minus filibustering), elitist (Harvard Law), and being quite divisive.

The last part is going to his Achilles heel. To win the Presidency and have a successful administration, one has to be able to build a coalition and unite people to get things done. Since being elected to the Senate, he has done nothing but piss off is fellow Republicans (not to mention Democrats). Conservatives love him for it. However, being disruptive in the Senate is quite a different animal than campaigning for and being POTUS.
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So, he and Obama have a lot in common. More reason not to vote for him.
 
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Gramps said:
Agree.

Does anyone actually think Cruz has a chance to with the GOP nomination?
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No. Cruz has a huge ego. This is all about him. This gets him more camera time and perhaps a few book deals down the road. He may have an OK showing in IA but going to the religious right, he will drop in NH. Cruz will probably aim for March 1 when TX has its primary. This should feed the ego for a run in another cycle. Anyone hanging on by a string at that point will be aiming for a cabinet position and/or a book deal...or a FNC show.
 
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Gramps said:
Agree.

Does anyone actually think Cruz has a chance to with the GOP nomination?
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GGGGGGGRAMPS up in this hizzy! Welcome back old timer.

I think that it's a brilliant move to insert Cruz into the race - think about it, any GOP candidate at this point will seem sane, reasonable and intellectual by direct comparison.
 
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So...Martin O'Malley 2016!

Am I the only person on here that hopes this guy is the Dem nominee? There really is no other appealing candidate on the Democratic side who doesn't have loads of baggage or blatant flaws.

O'Malley isn't flashy, but he takes a workman-like approach to his job and seems to actually care about the people. He has executive experience as Governor of Maryland and Mayor of Baltimore.

I'm certainly not saying the man is perfect, but he's far more qualified than Hillary.

I don't see any currently-discussed Republican as electable outside of Bush or Walker. But, I think a potential Dark Horse for the GOP is John Kasich, who I could tolerate far better than the other candidates.
 
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Septic said:
Except that Obama actually was born in the U.S.

Ironic huh?
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I guess a forged birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii.
Ironic that Loretta Fuddy died in a plane crash after this BC was officially released, huh?

“It was Barack Obama who said for 16 years, along with his publisher that he was ‘Kenyan born,’” said Mr. Gallups, referring to the promotional materials for Mr. Obama’s book by his literary agency Dystel & Goderich prior to his presidential election that referred to him as having been “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.” Mr. Obama’s bio was changed on the agency’s website in April, 2007, stating he was born in Hawaii. When Breitbart News broke this story, Miriam Goderich issued a press release stating that “a fact-checking error” occurred while she worked as an agency assistant. In other words, for sixteen years, the “error” had gone undetected.
 
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Gramps said:
Agree.

Does anyone actually think Cruz has a chance to with the GOP nomination?
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Glad to see you participating Gramps.

I think Cruz will last through the first wave of primaries, and he'll be a thorn in the side of the mainstream candidates. But, no, no way he gets the nod in the end.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Glad to see you participating Gramps.

I think Cruz will last through the first wave of primaries, and he'll be a thorn in the side of the mainstream candidates. But, no, no way he gets the nod in the end.
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Then why do you care that he's running?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Glad to see you participating Gramps.

I think Cruz will last through the first wave of primaries, and he'll be a thorn in the side of the mainstream candidates. But, no, no way he gets the nod in the end.
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He raised over 500,000 his first ****ing day get a clue...
 
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