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Grand Vol said:
And that's the only day it wasn't working? Or are we assuming that?

I'm just as suspicious as the next person over a lot of things, but I also know that technology isn't as reliable just yet as it could be. And if the unit was individually purchased, it very well could have legitimately failed since some of them aren't that great.
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Well I'm assuming the last time it was checked, it worked. Why else would he have been wearing it? With that said, I suppose it could've been broken for a week and he just didn't realize it. I'd like to think that steps have been taken to assure they're working the overwhelming majority of the time.
 
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Hypothetical...

I'm an RN. Let's say we all started wearing those cameras (which btw if that meant I wouldn't have to chart every little thing I did throughout the day, I'd be totally down for that but that's a different story). What would you think if one of my patients coded and there was some question as to weather it was my fault and my camera "stopped working" at some point prior to the incident? Do you really think that would just be accepted and we'd all just move on?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Well I'm assuming the last time it was checked, it worked. Why else would he have been wearing it? With that said, I suppose it could've been broken for a week and he just didn't realize it. I'd like to think that steps have been taken to assure they're working the overwhelming majority of the time.
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I honestly couldn't tell you how often it would be checked. If I were to guess, probably when the recordings would need to be downloaded for evidence. If that is the case, the chances of noticing it wasn't recording could go days or longer if said officer wasn't involved in an incident.

Circumstances that neither of us can answer.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Hypothetical...

I'm an RN. Let's say we all started wearing those cameras (which btw if that meant I wouldn't have to chart every little thing I did throughout the day, I'd be totally down for that but that's a different story). What would you think if one of my patients coded and there was some question as to weather it was my fault and my camera "stopped working" at some point prior to the incident? Do you really think that would just be accepted and we'd all just move on?
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So I'll ask, how often are you supposed to check? Is the data downloaded daily for storage? What would be the specific policy for same? How often is the device checked to make sure it's working properly by reviewing the video?

It's my impression the Dallas PD doesn't have a policy in place as they weren't mandatory. I could be wrong.
 
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BartW said:
Yes. In this instance the cops are mostly if not entirely at fault for escalating the situation. The mother was calm because this was a routine exercise for them. Why are the cops yelling and making frightening gestures? He’s just standing there twiddling a screwdriver. That's not how you handle a bipolar/schizophrenic.

Being afraid of people who are different is human nature.

I would like to read that article. I agree that the media blows up some of these stories, but there are plenty of cases that don’t get MSM coverage and I’m sure plenty more that get no coverage whatsoever. Just one instance of unjustified killing by police is too many imo.

If you can’t figure out how to reach for the taser before the gun, how about we take all your toys away and arm you with billy clubs instead?
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I'll sum up your entire post here worth two words:

BS
 
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BartW said:
The Brits figured it out.

I think your position is BS. If you don't want to respond, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I really would like to see that article though
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What is there to respond to? You think they were afraid? Maybe you should stick to your nonsense in the climate thread instead of trying to comprehend this.

And you'll have to ask DTH for the link.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What is there to respond to? You think they were afraid? Maybe you should stick to your nonsense in the climate thread instead of trying to comprehend this.

And you'll have to ask DTH for the link.
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Who?

Isn't that their defense though? They feared for their lives so they had to shoot?

You could start by explaining this:
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The problem arises when carried, it's generally on the opposing side of the handgun (like seen in the video) which creates a cross draw situation and adds to the amount of time needed to employ it. The problem (in this case at least) is there really isn't sufficient time to draw, remove the safety and fire
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because it sounds like copspeak for "I can't use my taser cause it's on the other side and I'm just too darn used to reaching for my gun".

Then if you feel like it, respond to the rest of my previous points. Do you think the cops did anything wrong in this situation?
 
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davethevol said:
That list is staggering. I'm sure some of those killings are justified, but it just seems far fetched that all of them are.
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There are a few in there that are questionable. But the vast majority do stand out as being justified.

There are also some that are attributed to police that might likely end up being to other causes like this one:

Taser death of former inmate under investigation in Mansfield - 19 Action News|Cleveland, OH|News, Weather, Sports

Which sounds like a real bad mix of drugs or something. But anyway, most of the articles will show the use of lethal force to be justified. Or pending investigation since it was an initial report.
 
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davethevol said:
That list is staggering. I'm sure some of those killings are justified, but it just seems far fetched that all of them are.
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I read a few of the stories and the ones I read involved a guy with a weapon charging at police....followed by the usual...he was such a nice boy and how they felt the cops could have done something different then shooting him.
 
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hndog609 said:
Hopefully not to get us off on too much of a tangent but in clicking through all the names for March with linkable pics there were an awful lot of people that...let's just say don't meet the media's overwhelming representation of who is getting shot.
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Imagine that...
 
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Grand Vol said:
So I'll ask, how often are you supposed to check? Is the data downloaded daily for storage? What would be the specific policy for same? How often is the device checked to make sure it's working properly by reviewing the video?

It's my impression the Dallas PD doesn't have a policy in place as they weren't mandatory. I could be wrong.
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I can't speak for law-enforcement but I guarantee you in healthcare the cameras would be checked to ensure they were working properly at the beginning of every shift.

Once our blood sugar machines hit 12 hours since the last time they've been checked for quality control, they stop working. At the beginning of every shift the charge nurse has to check every crash cart to make sure everything is there, the defibrillator is working properly, none of the meds have expired, and so on. At shift change or anytime there is a change in settings all PCAs and heparin drips must be verified by a second nurse. Anytime I administer insulin the syringe must be checked by second nurse to verify I'm giving the proper amount.

I'm going to go ahead and stop there because I could literally go on all day about what we have to do to cover our asses. It's absolutely retarded the amount of time out of my day that is spent sitting at a computer documenting. You want to know why we have to do all this crap? Because, unlike some professions, we are actually held accountable when we screwup.

And one last thing while we're on the subject. It's not at all uncommon for patients to just go completely crazy, hit us, spit on us, and even times take items and try to use them as weapons. We managed to resolve those situations every time without killing anybody. Pretty crazy huh?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I can't speak for law-enforcement but I guarantee you in healthcare the cameras would be checked to ensure they were working properly at the beginning of every shift.

Once our blood sugar machines hit 12 hours since the last time they've been checked for quality control, they stop working. At the beginning of every shift the charge nurse has to check every crash cart to make sure everything is there, the defibrillator is working properly, none of the meds have expired, and so on. At shift change or anytime there is a change in settings all PCAs and heparin drips must be verified by a second nurse. Anytime I administer insulin the syringe must be checked by second nurse to verify I'm giving the proper amount.

I'm going to go ahead and stop there because I could literally go on all day about what we have to do to cover our asses. It's absolutely retarded the amount of time out of my day that is spent sitting at a computer documenting. You want to know why we have to do all this crap? Because, unlike some professions, we are actually held accountable when we screwup.

And one last thing while we're on the subject. It's not at all uncommon for patients to just go completely crazy, hit us, spit on us, and even times take items and try to use them as weapons. We managed to resolve those situations every time without killing anybody. Pretty crazy huh?
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A friend of mine went into the hospital when we were in high school. Nurse gave him an injection....the wrong injection...... Feet went numb..... Numbness moved up his legs.... Staff realized the mistake..... Told the patents he'd be dead within the hour. He was..... Does this mean all nurses are bad?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
A friend of mine went into the hospital when we were in high school. Nurse gave him an injection....the wrong injection...... Feet went numb..... Numbness moved up his legs.... Staff realized the mistake..... Told the patents he'd be dead within the hour. He was..... Does this mean all nurses are bad?
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Really?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
A friend of mine went into the hospital when we were in high school. Nurse gave him an injection....the wrong injection...... Feet went numb..... Numbness moved up his legs.... Staff realized the mistake..... Told the patents he'd be dead within the hour. He was..... Does this mean all nurses are bad?
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My friend was training to be a respiratory therapist and he stopped something similar from happening. He realized they had the wrong injection and alerted them. Probably save a life. It's crazy how often I hear this sort of thing.
 
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