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2014-15 Tennessee Volunteers Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

It's easy to see why some are frustrated about this year and concerned about the next. I didn't think we'd be very good this year after losing what we lost from a player stand point. On the other hand, I was expecting the offense to "look" different than what it has been. Words like "tough", "up tempo", etc...thrown around about CDT's system and...well, while I didn't expect us to set the league on fire I certainly didn't think we'd put up a points per game average that's the worst in at least 18 years of UT Basketball. Of course the season isn't over so that could change I guess.

Where we rank nationally in offensive categories.



FG - 273rd (out of 351)
FGA - 270th
FG% - 217th

2P - 231st
2PA- 224th
2P% - 210th

3P - 234th
3PA - 240th
3P% - 218th

FT - 298th
FTA - 310th
FT% - 182nd

ORB - 86th
DRB - 338th
TRB - 280th

PTS - 301st
PTS/G - 276th
 
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#78
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vol66 said:
2014-15 Tennessee Volunteers Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

It's easy to see why some are frustrated about this year and concerned about the next. I didn't think we'd be very good this year after losing what we lost from a player stand point. On the other hand, I was expecting the offense to "look" different than what it has been. Words like "tough", "up tempo", etc...thrown around about CDT's system and...well, while I didn't expect us to set the league on fire I certainly didn't think we'd put up a points per game average that's the worst in at least 18 years of UT Basketball. Of course the season isn't over so that could change I guess.

Where we rank nationally in offensive categories.



FG - 273rd (out of 351)
FGA - 270th
FG% - 217th

2P - 231st
2PA- 224th
2P% - 210th

3P - 234th
3PA - 240th
3P% - 218th

FT - 298th
FTA - 310th
FT% - 182nd

ORB - 86th
DRB - 338th
TRB - 280th

PTS - 301st
PTS/G - 276th
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Those are some very revealing statistics...
 
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k-town_king said:
He is responsible for not keeping Davis and Thompson. They had the same numbers Maymon and Golden had as freshmen. If he kept them they would be a year more mature and could have made the leap the players did under Martin. He could have more experience but for whatever reason he didn't keep some players.

No matter what people say the facts are the facts. The numbers show that the returning production from players the coaches inherited was pretty much exactly the same. The preseason expectations were exactly the same. One coach went above and beyond those. One is nose diving at the end of the season.
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That's a crock and you know it...both left because they felt your boy "Zo" got the shaft. Quit putting the blame on Donnie for their defection.
 
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vol66 said:
2014-15 Tennessee Volunteers Roster and Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

It's easy to see why some are frustrated about this year and concerned about the next. I didn't think we'd be very good this year after losing what we lost from a player stand point. On the other hand, I was expecting the offense to "look" different than what it has been. Words like "tough", "up tempo", etc...thrown around about CDT's system and...well, while I didn't expect us to set the league on fire I certainly didn't think we'd put up a points per game average that's the worst in at least 18 years of UT Basketball. Of course the season isn't over so that could change I guess.

Where we rank nationally in offensive categories.



FG - 273rd (out of 351)
FGA - 270th
FG% - 217th

2P - 231st
2PA- 224th
2P% - 210th

3P - 234th
3PA - 240th
3P% - 218th

FT - 298th
FTA - 310th
FT% - 182nd

ORB - 86th
DRB - 338th
TRB - 280th

PTS - 301st
PTS/G - 276th
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The offensive rebounding number is very interesting. I think it goes to show you that the effort is outstanding, and the talent is lacking.
 
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butchna said:
Who has the better squad?...Vandy or Tennessee? Be honest. After your honesty, the lesser talented team has a win against the other...was that win NOT due to the coach?...We're waiting.
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who has the better squad wasn't the question. SD seems to think DT always outcoaches somebody when they win. Just wondering if he ever gets outcoached when they lose. Who had the better squad in the 1st game ,Tn ? or since they last played Vandy got better and Tn got worse.
 
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1985Vols said:
I like the optimism but problem is, with the NCAA issues hanging over his head, Tyndall will be hard pressed to get any decent players. Next season will be worse than this one.
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We can only hope he gets the same treatment Pearl did except for Tyndall he gets the KY player philosophy - one and done
 
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VolGee4 said:
True, that Martin had an inexperienced roster coming back. However, he had at least 7 returning players from the previous roster. 3 of them averaged double digit minutes. The raw talent on that team was twice as what Tyndall has. Plus, Martin had Maymon and Hall and even Woolridge with some height. Woolridge and Reese are basically the same player.

But, the talent disparity isn't really debatable other than the experience, and Tyndall's team only has 4 players that had D1 experience before the year. There is clearly an agenda by some on this board.
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Yeah, and next year we will have double the returning players averaging double figure minutes. And still won't equal the wins Martin did his first year
 
#88
#88
508mikey said:
he better get 2 - 5 star players then
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I'm still trying to figure out why people defend CDT TO THE DEATH. He's staring down the barrel of a losing season, can't get recruits needed to compete, also, we are looking to 2017 to not be at the bottom half of the league.

People were running CCM out of town for winning 20 games. Why is everyone up on CDT? Because he waves his arms to get the 5k fans in TBA TO STAND UP? Because he's a "good" coach who could possibly have a losing record his first two seasons?
 
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tnvols72 said:
who has the better squad wasn't the question. SD seems to think DT always outcoaches somebody when they win. Just wondering if he ever gets outcoached when they lose. Who had the better squad in the 1st game ,Tn ? or since they last played Vandy got better and Tn got worse.
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Opposite is true for the other side...rarely see credit given for coaching up...usually silence until a nice juicy losing streak pops up...my point is don't fall down on your logic trying to counter a poster that annoys you. At some point this season, Tyndall coached up his squad...easier to acknowledge that then to spin your wheels.
 
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#90
etsuvol13 said:
I'm still trying to figure out why people defend CDT TO THE DEATH. He's staring down the barrel of a losing season, can't get recruits needed to compete, also, we are looking to 2017 to not be at the bottom half of the league.

People were running CCM out of town for winning 20 games. Why is everyone up on CDT? Because he waves his arms to get the 5k fans in TBA TO STAND UP? Because he's a "good" coach who could possibly have a losing record his first two seasons?
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There we go...now all the bellyaching makes sense. :clap: Admire your honesty and Cuonzo loyalty...unfortunately it discredits your objectivity. Would rather have BTO admit he's trying to get revenge for our dearly departed (of his own accord) then pretend to give this new guy a fair shake...then tear him down at every opportunity.
 
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#91
butchna said:
There we go...now all the bellyaching makes sense. :clap: Admire your honesty and Cuonzo loyalty...unfortunately it discredits your objectivity. Would rather have BTO admit he's trying to get revenge for our dearly departed (of his own accord) then pretend to give this new guy a fair shake...then tear him down at every opportunity.
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same for you and CDT. Works both ways
 
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butchna said:
Opposite is true for the other side...rarely see credit given for coaching up...usually silence until a nice juicy losing streak pops up...my point is don't fall down on your logic trying to counter a poster that annoys you. At some point this season, Tyndall coached up his squad...easier to acknowledge that then to spin your wheels.
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I gave DT his props when he deserved it. I have never said DT is a bad coach. But with that being said , I still don't think he can win at Tn recruiting 2 & 3* players.
I noticed you didn't answer any of my questions But once again did Vandy get better or Tn get worse ?
 
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tnvols72 said:
who has the better squad wasn't the question. SD seems to think DT always outcoaches somebody when they win. Just wondering if he ever gets outcoached when they lose. Who had the better squad in the 1st game ,Tn ? or since they last played Vandy got better and Tn got worse.
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This game has nothing to do with being outcoached. It had everything to do with a team hitting everything it threw up in the second half. That was what you call a team getting hot and putting up a statistic that Kentucky has not produced in a single half this whole season. 13 of 16 including 9 threes in the second half. "In the second half, when they went to 4 around 1, and basically it's just a motion type 4 around 1, and we're matched up pretty much man-to-man. That's what you do when they go 4 around 1. And what makes it so hard is Jones is isolated against our 5 man inside. So we're constantly pulling to the ball, and then they're skip passing it or driving and we help over. And I think basically when they changed their offense in the second half and we couldn't guard the dribble, which led to drive and kick out 3's." If they shoot only 6 threes in the second half, we win. As a matter of fact if they had hit 13 threes against Kentucky as opposed to seven, they would have beaten the Wildcats by 10 at Rupp! Check this out: Is Kentucky Killing College Basketball? | Rolling Stone
 
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I am sorry but the last game had every bit to do with coaching or the lack of coaching on the part of UT. To see a 13 pt lead melt away to a 7 pt deficit and to take no timeouts when you have 4 is utterly ridiculous. I bet you could watch 1000 games where a 20 point swing occurred and never find an instance where a coach did not use a timeout. He should have taken a timeout when the lead evaporated to a 4 to 7 point lead and instructed his players/defensive scheme to make Vandy beat us with two's the rest of way. We had a 13 pt lead with 13 mins to go and half the time we run down the shot clock on our end...if we made them take two's its a 6.5 possession lead. To lose that game is terrible, but to lose a 13 point lead with 13 to go and lose it going away and it not even be close is a travesty.
 
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#97
SeniorDrill said:
If Donnie Tyndall had been able to keep Jabari and Brandon on the floor this season, they would have run circles around Davis and Thompson and we would have had 3 or 4 more wins at this point.
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Fo some reason , Some Vol fans think Thompson was a solid PG. He is slow, and might have the ugliest shot I've ever seen. He's still better then Lopez. Jabari is way better than Davis.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
This game has nothing to do with being outcoached. It had everything to do with a team hitting everything it threw up in the second half. That was what you call a team getting hot and putting up a statistic that Kentucky has not produced in a single half this whole season. 13 of 16 including 9 threes in the second half. "In the second half, when they went to 4 around 1, and basically it's just a motion type 4 around 1, and we're matched up pretty much man-to-man. That's what you do when they go 4 around 1. And what makes it so hard is Jones is isolated against our 5 man inside. So we're constantly pulling to the ball, and then they're skip passing it or driving and we help over. And I think basically when they changed their offense in the second half and we couldn't guard the dribble, which led to drive and kick out 3's." If they shoot only 6 threes in the second half, we win. As a matter of fact if they had hit 13 threes against Kentucky as opposed to seven, they would have beaten the Wildcats by 10 at Rupp! Check this out: Is Kentucky Killing College Basketball? | Rolling Stone
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As someone already said, Auburn hit 11 threes at Kentucky and still got their ass beat. There's no guarantee ANYTHING of what you just said would have happened. Just like everything you post. Maybe Tyndall should, you know, play a man-zone of some sort and keep Richardson on the hot hand. That would show some actual adjustments that may work. His highly promoted defense sucks. End of discussion.
 
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vols 30 said:
Fo some reason , Some Vol fans think Thompson was a solid PG. He is slow, and might have the ugliest shot I've ever seen. He's still better then Lopez. Jabari is way better than Davis.
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He may not have been high profile, but he at least would have been a band aid for this season. That's the point. Do what you can to not have this happen during the season your first year and then build after that.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
This game has nothing to do with being outcoached. It had everything to do with a team hitting everything it threw up in the second half. That was what you call a team getting hot and putting up a statistic that Kentucky has not produced in a single half this whole season. 13 of 16 including 9 threes in the second half. "In the second half, when they went to 4 around 1, and basically it's just a motion type 4 around 1, and we're matched up pretty much man-to-man. That's what you do when they go 4 around 1. And what makes it so hard is Jones is isolated against our 5 man inside. So we're constantly pulling to the ball, and then they're skip passing it or driving and we help over. And I think basically when they changed their offense in the second half and we couldn't guard the dribble, which led to drive and kick out 3's." If they shoot only 6 threes in the second half, we win. As a matter of fact if they had hit 13 threes against Kentucky as opposed to seven, they would have beaten the Wildcats by 10 at Rupp! Check this out: Is Kentucky Killing College Basketball? | Rolling Stone
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Are you going to keep ignoring that Auburn had 11 3s against UK and lost by 35.

And you can if all day, the fact is VU DID NOT shoot 13 3s against UK.
 
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