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#54
#54
orbs son said:
First look at the schedule. It has gotten much tougher since we were 14-5 and B. We have no depth and our team is just running out of steam.
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Also, many of the losses have been close which means they were in it, just not enough to finish it.
 
#57
#57
tnvols72 said:
Did you see Stallings outcoach DT ? or is it DT coaching when there is a win and players when its a loss ?
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Stallings did a good job. Didn't necessarily out coach CDT, he just understood where Vandy had an advantage and exploited it. It's not every opponent that has a 7 footer they can stick in the corner and knock down 3s like he did. Making the last 13 field goals makes one coach look stupid and the other brilliant.
 
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#59
#59
tnvols72 said:
Did you see Stallings outcoach DT ? or is it DT coaching when there is a win and players when its a loss ?
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Who has the better squad?...Vandy or Tennessee? Be honest. After your honesty, the lesser talented team has a win against the other...was that win NOT due to the coach?...We're waiting.
 
#63
#63
butchna said:
Who has the better squad?...Vandy or Tennessee? Be honest. After your honesty, the lesser talented team has a win against the other...was that win NOT due to the coach?...We're waiting.
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We do. Jrich, Mostella and Hubbs have more talent than their team put together.
 
#65
#65
VolGee4 said:
Who the hell is "liking" this?

How is this even true? My gosh, some of our fans...
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Its true. We returned more production and people who played minutes this year than Martin got. Tatum was basically the only player who had contributed when Martin got here. There was a reason we were picked last and next to last by everyone that year. Martin surpassed expectations by alot. Tyndall won't.
 
#66
#66
k-town_king said:
Its true. We returned more production and people who played minutes this year than Martin got. Tatum was basically the only player who had contributed when Martin got here. There was a reason we were picked last and next to last by everyone that year. Martin surpassed expectations by alot. Tyndall won't.
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True, that Martin had an inexperienced roster coming back. However, he had at least 7 returning players from the previous roster. 3 of them averaged double digit minutes. The raw talent on that team was twice as what Tyndall has. Plus, Martin had Maymon and Hall and even Woolridge with some height. Woolridge and Reese are basically the same player.

But, the talent disparity isn't really debatable other than the experience, and Tyndall's team only has 4 players that had D1 experience before the year. There is clearly an agenda by some on this board.
 
#67
#67
VolGee4 said:
True, that Martin had an inexperienced roster coming back. However, he had at least 7 returning players from the previous roster. 3 of them averaged double digit minutes. The raw talent on that team was twice as what Tyndall has. Plus, Martin had Maymon and Hall and even Woolridge with some height. Woolridge and Reese are basically the same player.

But, the talent disparity isn't really debatable other than the experience, and Tyndall's team only has 4 players that had D1 experience before the year. There is clearly an agenda by some on this board.
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He is responsible for not keeping Davis and Thompson. They had the same numbers Maymon and Golden had as freshmen. If he kept them they would be a year more mature and could have made the leap the players did under Martin. He could have more experience but for whatever reason he didn't keep some players.

No matter what people say the facts are the facts. The numbers show that the returning production from players the coaches inherited was pretty much exactly the same. The preseason expectations were exactly the same. One coach went above and beyond those. One is nose diving at the end of the season.
 
#68
#68
k-town_king said:
He is responsible for not keeping Davis and Thompson. They had the same numbers Maymon and Golden had as freshmen. If he kept them they would be a year more mature and could have made the leap the players did under Martin. He could have more experience but for whatever reason he didn't keep some players.

No matter what people say the facts are the facts. The numbers show that the returning production from players the coaches inherited was pretty much exactly the same. The preseason expectations were exactly the same. One coach went above and beyond those. One is nose diving at the end of the season.
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Your opinions aren't "facts "...no matter how much you want them to be. :nono:
 
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#69
#69
butchna said:
Your opinions aren't "facts "...no matter how much you want them to be. :nono:
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Since when have hard numbers not been facts? Look at the numbers and the returning production was pretty much the same.

Since when are preseason projections ,which are posted many places, not facts?
 
#70
#70
k-town_king said:
Since when have hard numbers not been facts? Look at the numbers and the returning production was pretty much the same.

Since when are preseason projections ,which are posted many places, not facts?
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Projections ARE opinions dude! :lol:
 
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#71
#71
k-town_king said:
He is responsible for not keeping Davis and Thompson. They had the same numbers Maymon and Golden had as freshmen. If he kept them they would be a year more mature and could have made the leap the players did under Martin. He could have more experience but for whatever reason he didn't keep some players.

No matter what people say the facts are the facts. The numbers show that the returning production from players the coaches inherited was pretty much exactly the same. The preseason expectations were exactly the same. One coach went above and beyond those. One is nose diving at the end of the season.
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They are your "facts." Not mine.

You have no proof that Tyndall didn't want to keep any of those players. But keep on keeping on.
 
#72
#72
butchna said:
Projections ARE opinions dude! :lol:
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Yea true. I was not arguing that. But it is a fact the projections were the same for both teams. That is a fact.

People also need to stop saying we shouldn't be surprised by the results because we were projected to finish low then. You have said it yourself.
 
#73
#73
VolGee4 said:
Who the hell is "liking" this?

How is this even true? My gosh, some of our fans...
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VolGee4 said:
True, that Martin had an inexperienced roster coming back. However, he had at least 7 returning players from the previous roster. 3 of them averaged double digit minutes. The raw talent on that team was twice as what Tyndall has. Plus, Martin had Maymon and Hall and even Woolridge with some height. Woolridge and Reese are basically the same player.

But, the talent disparity isn't really debatable other than the experience, and Tyndall's team only has 4 players that had D1 experience before the year. There is clearly an agenda by some on this board.
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Some people you just can't reach. You'd be better off banging your head against the wall. Some people on here wouldn't know a basketball from a football.
 
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#75
#75
Ray In The Way said:
Wow. This is so wrong-headed in so many ways. Seven inexperienced non-starters, one experienced reasonably good player....no bench, no height, and you think they're missing something "in the chest"?
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Well look at the number of close games we have lost...teams that make the breaks and want it more win those games...obviously we don't want it as much as the other feller.
 
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