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Velo Vol said:
America would be a target regardless.
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You're probably right, but we give ourselves better chances by meddling, coups, wars and sanctions.

I'm sure Americans would love to live with war at their footsteps and placed under economic sanctions. Life would be grand..
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just answer the question
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Again, I will ask in what context. Are you referring to the Russians who have crossed the border and make up a preponderance of the forces fighting against the Ukrainian army? Or the minority of these forces who are people local to this area? Regardless of which one, the vast majority of the population in these two oblasts are either passive in action OR have left the region altogether. Calling all of these fighters "separatists" is like saying Ukraine is run and defended by fascists/Nazis. Neither one of these is factual.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Again, I will ask in what context. Are you referring to the Russians who have crossed the border and make up a preponderance of the forces fighting against the Ukrainian army? Or the minority of these forces who are people local to this area? Regardless of which one, the vast majority of the population in these two oblasts are either passive in action OR have left the region altogether. Calling all of these fighters "separatists" is like saying Ukraine is run and defended by fascists/Nazis. Neither one of these is factual.
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Since you're so close to the situation and all, give us some facts that the locals are in the minority when it comes to fighting neo nazis...
 
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Pacer92 said:
Since you're so close to the situation and all, give us some facts that the fascists are in the minority when it comes to fighting Ukrainian patriots...
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Unless I give you a link to RT you won't believe it. Why should I bother? And FYP as well....
 
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Pacer92 said:
You're probably right, but we give ourselves better chances by meddling, coups, wars and sanctions.

I'm sure Americans would love to live with war at their footsteps and placed under economic sanctions. Life would be grand..
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Perhaps if Russians were not meddling, we would not have an issue. But I dare point out the root cause of this....
 
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volprof said:
You and neo-Nazis. What are you hiding?

You a Jew Nazi or something?
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Not sure. But Russians and their obsession with calling everyone opposed to their policies Nazis. They drop the Nazi bomb and fascist bomb on anyone and everyone. I truly think they do not understand the term. I keep asking the trolls where Putin falls on the political spectrum and get no answer.
 
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Separatists: patriotic, home-grown defense units fighting off the American-supported Nazi killers with weapons and ammunition they made in their garages.
 
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Pacer92 said:
What I thought!! Quit talking out your ass then..
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Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove that the majority of these "separatists" are locals? Can you prove Russia is not involved? Can you prove Russia has not broken any agreements regarding Ukraine? I wait for any answer to any of these questions. Answers may involve you getting out from behind your keyboard and even venturing out to the real world. When you've been there and seen this firsthand, perhaps you would have even an inkling of a clue. Until then you sit back hiding behind RT links and regurgitating one sided spin. Before you tell me to quit talking out of something you may want to get your head out of yours....
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove that the majority of these "separatists" are locals? Can you prove Russia is not involved? Can you prove Russia has not broken any agreements regarding Ukraine? I wait for any answer to any of these questions. Answers may involve you getting out from behind your keyboard and even venturing out to the real world. When you've been there and seen this firsthand, perhaps you would have even an inkling of a clue. Until then you sit back hiding behind RT links and regurgitating one sided spin. Before you tell me to quit talking out of something you may want to get your head out of yours....
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You're a troll, nothing else. You talk shiznit and have zero to combat with...
 
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You guys sound exactly like MSM. You post that Russians are invading Ukraine. Russians soldiers are doing all the fighting. Russia is sending 50 tanks and 40 missile systems over the border.

Please give us more than one patch on a shoulder and photos of Russian equipment in the snow. I may be enticed to give you the benefit of the doubt if there were substantial proof besides what a Ukrainian official says or an OSCE official that doesn't live in Kiev says.
 
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pacer92 said:
you guys sound exactly like msm. You post that russians are invading ukraine. Russians soldiers are doing all the fighting. Russia is sending 50 tanks and 40 missile systems over the border.

Please give us more than one patch on a shoulder and photos of russian equipment in the snow. I may be enticed to give you the benefit of the doubt if there were substantial proof besides what a ukrainian official says or an osce official that doesn't live in kiev says.
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we have.
 
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Pacer92 said:
You guys sound exactly like MSM. You post that Russians are invading Ukraine. Russians soldiers are doing all the fighting. Russia is sending 50 tanks and 40 missile systems over the border.

Please give us more than one patch on a shoulder and photos of Russian equipment in the snow. I may be enticed to give you the benefit of the doubt if there were substantial proof besides what a Ukrainian official says or an OSCE official that doesn't live in Kiev says.
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You forgot malfunctioning GPS.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Unless I give you a link to RT you won't believe it. Why should I bother? And FYP as well....
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It is amazing to me that you all would say that we would ignore information when you all essentially ignore an audio taped confession with Pyatt and Nuland. It would be tantamount to dismissing a murder confession and throwing away the murder weapon.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing to me that you all would say that we would ignore information when you all essentially ignore an audio taped confession with Pyatt and Nuland. It would be tantamount to dismissing a murder confession and throwing away the murder weapon.
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Ras, you're anticipating the downfall of the US dollar and American govt. You gloat about it all the time. Who would you like to see take control of an interim govt. here?
 
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Pacer92 said:
You guys sound exactly like MSM. You post that Russians are invading Ukraine. Russians soldiers are doing all the fighting. Russia is sending 50 tanks and 40 missile systems over the border.

Please give us more than one patch on a shoulder and photos of Russian equipment in the snow. I may be enticed to give you the benefit of the doubt if there were substantial proof besides what a Ukrainian official says or an OSCE official that doesn't live in Kiev.
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You sound like the Kremlin. You repeat their line and even use their links as fact. You get called out on it and all you can do is call people names. There is evidence out there. You keep either shoving your head up your rear in denial or just flat out lie about it.

I'd love to hear your theory of how a group that was all but defeated somehow magically acquired top Russian tech weapons. How did an almost non-existent army suddenly come into thousands of men all wearing Russian military gear? Benefit of the doubt? I've presented very newly released Russian tank pictures spotted here. Please explain how as Putin says "miners" suddenly walk into the top of the line newest Russian equipment and know how to use it. Just humor me and come up with something credible as far as how all the soldiers and equipment came into being. I've shown a website that has compiled documented evidence. No comment came from you. Just be honest and admit you are a troll. Admit you would NOT give anyone the benefit of the doubt. With the evidence that has already been shown you are still in denial. Russian officers spotted in Ukraine. Denial. Silence. Name calling. You are incapable of fact or logic. So by all means. Trust a government owned media that has been caught lying repeatedly. That sole fact alone just sinks your whole argument. RT makes Brian Williams look like the Pope. But somehow you still trust them. All I need to know about you.

Frankly I have nothing to prove to you. And I could care less if you believe me or not. I've seen this firsthand. I don't need any media at all to convince me. I don't need the government of Ukraine, the US, or Russia to prove anything. I've seen enough in just one week of time near Donetsk that would make you soil your pants and cry to your mother. You are fortunate to live in a country that allows you to hate it and think it the source of the world's evils. If you crawled off to Russia and felt the same way about their government you would not have the same freedom. Enjoy your loathing. Comrade Putin would not give you that luxury.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing to me that you all would say that we would ignore information when you all essentially ignore an audio taped confession with Pyatt and Nuland. It would be tantamount to dismissing a murder confession and throwing away the murder weapon.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You didn't approach the root cause if you didn't mention the US State Department...
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Did you ever offer any proof the State Department was behind the root cause? Because the root cause goes back a few years before Maidan happened. If you can somehow show the State Department has been orchestrating a coup going back many years before Maidan.....

Root cause points to Moscow. Continuation of bloodshed points to Moscow. Breaking agreements points to Moscow.
 
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