Over Signing and the attrition that follows.

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99gator said:
I will say that I really don't care about any of this except the hypocrisy. When Alabama and Saban do it, it's wrong.

Well, clearly, the Saban model is in full effect at Tennessee.

Again, not a big deal. Just can't whine about what other schools are doing anymore.
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There's only a couple whining about it. They just seem so loud lol.
 
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#127
LebanonVolunteer said:
Tough to say for sure at this point.

Hendrix, Phillips and Butcher could be upgrades.

Is Oliver a sure upgrade over Helm? Is Eli Wolf? I'd say no.

Was Scott looking at being #3/4 this year? Was Paulk #3/4? Most would consider Kamara #2 at worst no matter who stayed. If your looking at rankings(all you can do at this point), Kelly and Young are rated lower than Scott and Paulk were.

Wharton? They added Bruce and Perry and both count toward 2016. Sure upgrades? Time will tell. *s say no.

Henderson, Taylor is an upgrade imo.

Sawyers, All 3 in 2015 could be upgrades.

Payne, Martin is an upgrade. Miller and Abernathy? Probably.

Jmo
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I'd say Phillips is DEFINITELY an upgrade over Hendrix.

I'd also say that Miller, Abernathy, and Martin are all upgrades over Payne... I was never too high on him and didn't quite understand the 4 star ranking.

Besides that, I agree completely with your post. :hi:
 
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It seems in the SEC, your going to take that 35% to 40% hit in each class regardless of how many you sign. So if you want to keep up with the Joneses, you better "oversign" the most talented players you can find at each position as often as possible.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Some figures posted by LWS in the FF. Seems relevant here.
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2014

UK- 0, 0%
LSU- 0, 0%
VU- 0, 0%
Bama- 1, 4%
Aub- 1, 4%
UF- 1, 4%
UM- 1, 4%
TAM- 1, 5%
Ark- 2, 8%
MU- 3, 11%
MSU- 3, 13%
UGA- 4, 19%
USCe- 5, 24%
UT- 8, 25%



2013


LSU- 2, 8%
Aub- 2, 9%
Bama- 4, 16%
UK- 3, 13%
VU- 4, 15%
Ark- 4, 17%
UF- 5, 17%
MU- 4, 20%
UGA- 9, 27%
MSU- 5, 24%
USCe- 6, 29%
TAM- 10, 31%
UM- 9, 33%
UT- 8, 35%

Total players lost over the past two years:

Bama- 5
Ark-6
Aub- 3
UF- 6
UGA- 13
UK- 3
LSU- 2
UM- 10
MSU- 8
MU- 7
USCe- 11
UT- 16
TAM- 11
VU- 4
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Good 16 spots open to better players. If that number is still high in two more years then I'll raise an eyebrow. Got too much **** to worry about than this I'm all for getting rid of players who can't play or don't want to play hard for us. We are sabanizing. He did it at Bammer first two or three years.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I can handle it. Its not like I'm going to stop being a Vol fan because I think the coach makes some questionable moves. I was a Vol before Butch showed up and I'll be a Vol long after he is gone.

Its nothing to do with recruiting scared. I'd have my top 5-10 guys on the board at each position and I'd fill needs based off that. Imo I wouldn't need to offer 300 kids to get 20-25. I'd take commitments and fill up based off the board. If I take a commitment from the #4 and #8RBs on my board in March and I plan on taking 2(I've told them this in an effort to gain their commitments), if the RB I have at #2 on the board wants to commit in Sept do I drop one of the commitments? Of course not. I stick with the guys who took those spots. I show a little integrity and say the position is full.

I wouldn't tell a QB he is "my guy" to get him to commit and tell him he's the only 1 I'm taking then try to sneak in another. If you can't stand by your word, it's useless. In time, people will realize this and things go downhill from there. Yes, even in business.
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U will be the laughing stock in college coaching circles knowing that u turned down a nick Chubb type talent for a RB with mediocre skills to fill a need. U won't have to worry about players being concerned about your word bc u will be fired in short order.
 
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Mountain, meet mole hill. It's 40% approximately throughout the conference. It's just the way it is. Probably for good reasons unless I'm into conspiracies.
 
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volbeast33 said:
U will be the laughing stock in college coaching circles knowing that u turned down a nick Chubb type talent for a RB with mediocre skills to fill a need. U won't have to worry about players being concerned about your word bc u will be fired in short order.
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If you pick out the 10 best RBs in a given class that you want and you get 2 of those 10, I'd imagine being "mediocre" isn't how a coach would see it. Jmo
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Until he officially leaves, he is still a Vol. At the time this thread was made, he was/is a Vol.
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I went back and added Vic once several people confirmed he was leaving. They said he's just trying to decide where he will transfer. Vic wasn't listed when I started the thread.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I would say there is a big difference between your number 2 RB on your list and the number 8 guy on your list.
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Maybe. Maybe not.

30RBs in 2015 were 4* or better. Quite a few more if you include APB's and ATH's who will play RB.

Look at say Kelly. VQ said he was #1 in UTs board after they got Kamara. He was rated in the 30's as an ATH and a 3*.

I could easily pick out a top 10 and landing 2 of those would be a win. Would I lose any sleep taking my #8 guy on the board as a 90-91 4* in March and passing on a guy in Sept who wants that spot and is a 93-94 4*? Not a bit.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Maybe. Maybe not.

30RBs in 2015 were 4* or better. Quite a few more if you include APB's and ATH's who will play RB.

Look at say Kelly. VQ said he was #1 in UTs board after they got Kamara. He was rated in the 30's as an ATH and a 3*.

I could easily pick out a top 10 and landing 2 of those would be a win. Would I lose any sleep taking my #8 guy on the board as a 90-91 4* in March and passing on a guy in Sept who wants that spot and is a 93-94 4*? Not a bit.
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I mean honestly there are a few kids out those we lost that we did not want to lose but for the most part 90% of those guys were already beaten out by other players within their respective classes. Most were leaving more so because of playing time than any other reason. Not saying that they couldn't develop into decent players, the fact is they didn't want to.

The more you take the more you have to cull. We have to take more right now to get the roster turned over and turned around. That's not just about talent it's about talent that fits the system that we have in place. We won't continue to oversign consistently. I see us taking a few forward count players this year but we're going to dial that back IMO going forward.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I mean honestly there are a few kids out those we lost that we did not want to lose but for the most part 90% of those guys were already beaten out by other players within their respective classes. Most were leaving more so because of playing time than any other reason. Not saying that they couldn't develop into decent players, the fact is they didn't want to.

The more you take the more you have to cull. We have to take more right now to get the roster turned over and turned around. That's not just about talent it's about talent that fits the system that we have in place. We won't continue to oversign consistently. I see us taking a few forward count players this year but we're going to dial that back IMO going forward.
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From what I see, I think they continue to over sign and continue to have the attrition. Folks looking at it and saying 40%, it's normal are correct. 40% over 4-5 years, not 1-2. We'll see where it's at when the last couple classes graduate. Common sense tells me UT will still be alarmingly high. I get improving the roster. I get adding guys who fit. Over signing STILL going into 2016? That's what tells me there is trouble in the future. Bruce, Perry, and Young. Most saying we have to flip the roster still today will be pointing at guys like those 3 in the future still saying we need to flip the roster. Imo it just makes zero sense. They have already signed over 80 kids. Obviously they are not still flipping the roster when you figure in upper class men starting. LOL@ the idea that they need to flip the roster when it's mostly THEIR Signee's they are flipping. Dial it back, I doubt it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
From what I see, I think they continue to over sign and continue to have the attrition. Folks looking at it and saying 40%, it's normal are correct. 40% over 4-5 years, not 1-2. We'll see where it's at when the last couple classes graduate. Common sense tells me UT will still be alarmingly high. I get improving the roster. I get adding guys who fit. Over signing STILL going into 2016? That's what tells me there is trouble in the future. Bruce, Perry, and Young. Most saying we have to flip the roster still today will be pointing at guys like those 3 in the future still saying we need to flip the roster. Imo it just makes zero sense.
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Let's get a four year sample of Butch taking care of the program and then we'll put that up against your imaginary roster where we babysit every prospect in the fervent hope that they eventually excel. These three excessive QBs pitted against Peterman,Ferguson and Matthews, would be a good start. FWIW IGWT USAA OMG
 
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