'16 NC QB Austin Kendall (former UT commit)

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MockingVol said:
I'm so tired of top 5 recruiting classes. All I want is for no ones feelings to get hurt and just take the first guy to commit at every position. I don't want to have a successful program, I want something akin to college football's American Red Cross.

I don't want my coach to keep recruiting positions just to cover his ass in the case someone flips.

I ESPECIALLY don't want my coach to recruit like every coach since the onset of the Bear Bryant Rule.


But if I had to say if there was one thing I hate the most: it's the ability of some to think through these issues in a logical manner. **** logic and the low born horse it rode in on.
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Your powerful words have reached these ears my friend! I have the sudden urge to watch Braveheart! :aggressive:
 

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roosterjbh said:
I'm just not buying that Butch and staff are being unethical. Dormady and Jennings were told they were going after Jones. Kendall may have been told he is the guy, and he may still be. I don't see anything wrong with offering more QBs after seeing time and time again kids flip at the last minute leaving teams high and dry. Just because we offer a QB doesn't mean he's a take. If Kendall stays with his commitment then I would bet he's it.
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Spot on IMO. Add in the questions of what happens if Kendall has a serious injury, like Dormady had, while playing his senior season; or, Butch loses two of the three QB's he signed in this class for any number of reasons that we have seen play out just in the past year? But common sense need not apply when trolling and sowing seeds of discontent.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
There's a difference in lying to and misleading recruits and continuing to recruit. Don't tell a guy he is the only one or one of two and then sign two more after it's too late for the first two guys to go to plan "B".

If you had the choice to sign with two teams and all things being equal except on misled or lied to you and the other didn't, which would you chose?
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Tennessee.:eek:lol:

Coaches have a "plan B" as well. Kendall should know that he will not be the only QB recruited. Maybe the only one signed but not the only one recruited.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
You would have Dormady and Jennings competing with whom they were told they would be competing, Peterman and Dobbs. If Peterman subsequently transfers, you would then have three scholarship qb's with one verbally committed for 2016 so far. I can assure you they kept Jancek quiet as they knew he would be walking on long ago and didn't want to muddy the water with the recruits.

Whether it's right or wrong, it will eventually catch up to Jones and the Vols. If not, they wouldn't have put the PR spin machine in motion.
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A walk on QB would muddy the water with recruits... thats a first.
 
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utvols88 said:
A walk on QB would muddy the water with recruits... thats a first.
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The reason he's a walk-on is because his daddy is a coach on the team and it doesn't burn a scholarship. He isn't the typical walk-on. If he is so insignificant, why bring him on? Why not sign six or eight qb's if it doesn't matter?
 
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UTFootballFan said:
The reason he's a walk-on is because his daddy is a coach on the team and it doesn't burn a scholarship. He isn't the typical walk-on. If he is so insignificant, why bring him on? Why not sign six or eight qb's if it doesn't matter?
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How is he not the typical walk on? He had walk on offers from Wake Forest with MTSU showing "interest". He had zero scholarship offers. The only reason he is even on the team is because of his dad.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Maybe.

Maybe Ferguson would have stuck had the coaches kept the promise.

Maybe they get one in 2014 had they not just taken 2 elite 11 guys the class before.
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The kid has to go juco because his grades were so bad. Jones taking one QB or two was irrelevant.

Doesn't matter now anyways. We've got a QB who is smart, well spoken, mature, a leader on and off the field and represents the university arguably better than any QB since the Shuler/Manning/Martin era.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
You would have Dormady and Jennings competing with whom they were told they would be competing, Peterman and Dobbs. If Peterman subsequently transfers, you would then have three scholarship qb's with one verbally committed for 2016 so far. I can assure you they kept Jancek quiet as they knew he would be walking on long ago and didn't want to muddy the water with the recruits.

Whether it's right or wrong, it will eventually catch up to Jones and the Vols. If not, they wouldn't have put the PR spin machine in motion.
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"PR spin machine"?...is that what we're calling the victory celebrations for top five classes nowadays?...like it...got a 90s New Sincerity ring to it.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
The reason he's a walk-on is because his daddy is a coach on the team and it doesn't burn a scholarship. He isn't the typical walk-on. If he is so insignificant, why bring him on? Why not sign six or eight qb's if it doesn't matter?
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Because it would unduly upset people that get upset at such things? :w00t:
 
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roosterjbh said:
How is he not the typical walk on? He had walk on offers from Wake Forest with MTSU showing "interest". He had zero scholarship offers. The only reason he is even on the team is because of his dad.
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He was a two star recruit. I don't know why he didn't get more exposure. I think there is a pretty darn good qb in New Mexico that is being overlooked.

Looks like some other two star and other walk-on have gone on yo do well for themselves. Where first-round picks of last five years rated out of high school - NFL.com
 
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UTFootballFan said:
You would have Dormady and Jennings competing with whom they were told they would be competing, Peterman and Dobbs. If Peterman subsequently transfers, you would then have three scholarship qb's with one verbally committed for 2016 so far. I can assure you they kept Jancek quiet as they knew he would be walking on long ago and didn't want to muddy the water with the recruits.

Whether it's right or wrong, it will eventually catch up to Jones and the Vols. If not, they wouldn't have put the PR spin machine in motion.
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So what would happen if Dobbs gets hurt, the #2 goes down, and the #3 got injured in practice? #4 step up. #4? #4? Oh our #4 is a walkon that doesn't even know where his helmet is and now CBJ's third and very critical season hinges on a walkon QB taking us through the SEC grind.

Also, just in case you weren't watching in 2013, this would've been our situation if Jones hadn't flipped Dobbs late. Even though he told Fergy that he was the man he realized he would be up poop creek with only 3 scholarship QBs.

We don't have any idea what conversations are had between these recruits and the coaches. As the season grinds on and the QB landscape changes the coaches may decide they want to take a second. I'm willing to bet they explain things to Kendall before they take a second. You guys accusing our coaches of dirty recruiting a friggin laughable.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
The reason he's a walk-on is because his daddy is a coach on the team and it doesn't burn a scholarship. He isn't the typical walk-on. If he is so insignificant, why bring him on? Why not sign six or eight qb's if it doesn't matter?
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Lol you cant be serious. Do I really have to respond to this?
 
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butchna said:
Nothing's straight up...I seriously believe that if Kendall sticks with us, he'll be the only QB taken next year, but the days of good ole Johnny University giving a hearty handshake to State U's HC and it being as solid as oak, are long gone my old naive wistful good-hearted naive trusting naive moral beyond words naive friend...you bank your fortunes on the whims of an easily influenced teenager, and don't continue to recruit quality at that position, then if there is a flip, you have scant relationships with any other prospect and end up bare in that class...thus you're not taking care of your program...but maybe your most moral fans will be proud...leaving the ridicule and pity for the less inspired. FWIW JMO PTSD CT VA NJ
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I'm pretty sure we call the recruiting methods you describe as recruiting for losers aka "How to destroy a once proud Program" aka "The Dooley Method."

It's turrrrrrble.
 
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Falcons02 said:
I'm pretty sure we call the recruiting methods you describe as recruiting for losers aka "How to destroy a once proud Program" aka "The Dooley Method."

It's turrrrrrble.
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Every one of those Dooley recruits felt special and wanted...from the time he started begging and kissing their rear end in late December of their senior year until signing day itself. :good!:
 
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i don't see how taking a third could be considered dirty. At the time Dormady and Jennings were told they were the guys Peterman was on the team, same thing with Kendall knowing we were only taking two the year above, Peterman was on the team. Things changed, Peterman left, new circumstances, not dirty at all by Butch to pick up another QB.
 
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You can't NOT recruit talented kids for fear of losing other talented recruits. LWS post about attrition shows that if you sign one elite guy at each spot and then fill out the rest of the class with 3 star depth, then you are recruiting scared. It's more of a gamble to place all your chips on a few elite guys that may or may not stick after signing day than to worry about scaring them off before signing day b/c your brining in more competition. Butch Jones apparently does not recruit scared and UT fans are not used to that. Most of us like to see it, some like Leb apparently can't handle it.
 
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