illegal aliens get tax returns without paying taxes.

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govols/cc said:
You should see that every week (or pay period). Nothing should factor in other than your income when it comes to taxes.
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Correct.. The tricky part of taxes in your stocks and the rates on dividends vs selling at a lost.. I hate writing a check on April 15th...
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not at all. And if his statement were just opinion, no problem.

But when the thread is entitled something which is an objectively untrue fact, I would think the mods would intercept it, just to maintain the integrity of the board.

If I started a thread entitled "Entire Vols Football Team Are Martians," i would expect it to be taken down pretty quickly. This thread is premised on a claim of equal accuracy.
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The "Christian Taliban" agrees.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Correct.. The tricky part of taxes in your stocks and the rates on dividends vs selling at a lost.. I hate writing a check on April 15th...
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Your employer should handle income taxes, you do nothing but get a statement. Everything else you file or wherever you have your investment does.
 
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SIAP but if I'm reading the Washington Times article correctly then the thread premise is true.

Someone who was paid off the books in the past can file and earn a refundable tax credit. So long as their tax liability is negative they can receive a refund without ever having paid taxes or even had taxes withheld.

I demand the Mods keep this thread unlocked and change a certain poster's avatar to:

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govols/cc said:
Your employer should handle income taxes, you do nothing but get a statement. Everything else you file or wherever you have your investment does.
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You are 180 out. Withholding should be completely done away with. The average schmo has no idea how much tax they pay each year because of this. That's why it's laughable and pathetic at the same time when you hear people taking about getting taxes back in April. When you ask them how much they paid, all they can tell you is that they got money back... Everybody should have to calculate and file quarterly at a minimum. Per paycheck would be better, but ya gotta start somewhere. When Joe 6 pack sees how much the .gov is taking.. there WILL be a revolution, and that "Soak the rich" mantra will disappear.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You are 180 out. Withholding should be completely done away with. The average schmo has no idea how much tax they pay each year because of this. That's why it's laughable and pathetic at the same time when you hear people taking about getting taxes back in April. When you ask them how much they paid, all they can tell you is that they got money back... Everybody should have to calculate and file quarterly at a minimum. Per paycheck would be better, but ya gotta start somewhere. When Joe 6 pack sees how much the .gov is taking.. there WILL be a revolution, and that "Soak the rich" mantra will disappear.
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Figure state,local and sales taxes on top and you are lucky to keep 50%.
 
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Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants

Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?

A: Yes. The Treasury Department’s Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.
 
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37L1 said:
Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants

Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?

A: Yes. The Treasury Department’s Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.
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Of course they would.. They are their current and future voters...
 
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Biopsyman said:
Figure state,local and sales taxes on top and you are lucky to keep 50%.
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Exactly. The out of sight, out of mind HIDDEN taxation (via withholding) that the .gov has on everybody works exactly as designed. Joe schmo does not KNOW how much tax he is paying every month, and therefore does not complain. If he had to write a check every month....
 
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Biopsyman said:
Correct.. The tricky part of taxes in your stocks and the rates on dividends vs selling at a lost.. I hate writing a check on April 15th...
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If you have to write a check in April and had no underpayment penalty, you won. Any refund means the government held your money interest free.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Exactly. The out of sight, out of mind HIDDEN taxation (via withholding) that the .gov has on everybody works exactly as designed. Joe schmo does not KNOW how much tax he is paying every month, and therefore does not complain. If he had to write a check every month....
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The uneducated voter only looks at their net
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You are 180 out. Withholding should be completely done away with. The average schmo has no idea how much tax they pay each year because of this. That's why it's laughable and pathetic at the same time when you hear people taking about getting taxes back in April. When you ask them how much they paid, all they can tell you is that they got money back... Everybody should have to calculate and file quarterly at a minimum. Per paycheck would be better, but ya gotta start somewhere. When Joe 6 pack sees how much the .gov is taking.. there WILL be a revolution, and that "Soak the rich" mantra will disappear.
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But you are missing the point. Joe 6 pack gets it all back anyway. He is most likely claiming married and 15 dependents on his W4 and the filling a 1040EZ and getting a full refund.
 
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Biopsyman said:
The uneducated voter only looks at their net
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What is there other than net? You are arguing two different points. Your withholding generally has nothing to do with your net. 47% have the minimum withheld and still get it all back.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
But you are missing the point. Joe 6 pack gets it all back anyway. He is most likely claiming married and 15 dependents on his W4 and the filling a 1040EZ and getting a full refund.
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I get that. I still say that most people in that situation have an "out of sight, out of mind" mindset. He never SEES that money, therefore it doesn't exist. All he ever sees is his net, and he gets a nice bonus in April. If he had to actually PAY those taxes, I gu-ar-an-tee you that his feelings about taxes would change.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I get that. I still say that most people in that situation have an "out of sight, out of mind" mindset. He never SEES that money, therefore it doesn't exist. All he ever sees is his net, and he gets a nice bonus in April. If he had to actually PAY those taxes, I gu-ar-an-tee you that his feelings about taxes would change.
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I've always felt that if we ended withholding and EVERYONE had to write a check by April 15th we would have a much more involved and informed voter base.

Either that or riots in the street.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I get that. I still say that most people in that situation have an "out of sight, out of mind" mindset. He never SEES that money, therefore it doesn't exist. All he ever sees is his net, and he gets a nice bonus in April. If he had to actually PAY those taxes, I gu-ar-an-tee you that his feelings about taxes would change.
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But why would you go to a system where they have to write a check when they get it back? The way to solve your issue is to go to a different tax system where all of us pay the same %. That way when they look at their check and see the money gone, it never comes back.
 
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hog88 said:
I've always felt that if we ended withholding and EVERYONE had to write a check by April 15th we would have a much more involved and informed voter base.

Either that or riots in the street.
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Or no one paying taxes.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
But why would you go to a system where they have to write a check when they get it back? The way to solve your issue is to go to a different tax system where all of us pay the same %. That way when they look at their check and see the money gone, it never comes back.
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I absolutely agree with a flat tax. Constitutionally amended percentage with zero deductions and zero credits. Everybody has skin in the game, and people that make more money pay more money.

The other is psychological. Joe 6pack needs to SEE that money going out of his bank account before he can appreciate that he is paying it to begin with. The way it is now, he doesn't. Even if he knows it is coming back, the psychology of writing a check for things he isn't able to touch immediately will hit him pretty hard. The average schmo can't do math, why else would they play the lottery? Of course the real problem with writing a check is the rubber check factor.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I absolutely agree with a flat tax. Constitutionally amended percentage with zero deductions and zero credits. Everybody has skin in the game, and people that make more money pay more money.

The other is psychological. Joe 6pack needs to SEE that money going out of his bank account before he can appreciate that he is paying it to begin with. The way it is now, he doesn't. Even if he knows it is coming back, the psychology of writing a check for things he isn't able to touch immediately will hit him pretty hard. The average schmo can't do math, why else would they play the lottery? Of course the real problem with writing a check is the rubber check factor.
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I guess I am looking for a more realistic solution. The only way this works is for people to get paid in cash and then have it taken right back out of their hands. Be a lot of bad checks written otherwise.
 
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I personally worked with an illegal Mexican guy. He would brag how he was married and used a fake ss#, him and his wife file desperate taxes as single parents with 3 kids and both get $7-8,000 back. Not to mention, food stamps and free healthcare on the kids. I'm not racist, and I don't mind people who need help getting it. I pay taxes, so if I had an accident and my family needed assistance that's why its there. But that kind of stuff like my coworker is wrong. Its not helping those in need, that's people playing the system while people in real need suffer.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
What is there other than net? You are arguing two different points. Your withholding generally has nothing to do with your net. 47% have the minimum withheld and still get it all back.
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The uneducated do not look at the true amount that they are taxed... They look at what they can spend. This group has a horrible saving rate
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I guess I am looking for a more realistic solution. The only way this works is for people to get paid in cash and then have it taken right back out of their hands. Be a lot of bad checks written otherwise.
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While I cannot disagree with what you say concerning the writing of bad checks, I would still like to see the amount of taxes that each person pays made crystal clear to them. Perhaps what you advocate would work, but then cash is becoming obsolete. Can you imagine how messed up things will be when octomom has only ApplePay and a credit card?
 
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