The Christian Taliban

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bamawriter said:
I don't believe that the Creation stories are meant to be taken literally. They are parables like those that Christ would tell in the New Testament.
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I don't think that way, but that's okay. I plan on finding out who is right one day.
 
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#234
Is this the type of person we want deciding what is taught in science class?

joevol320 said:
your communist party is the party of bigotry, envy and sodomy(?). I would say it kill you when someone calls you out on your pagan life
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And that one guy told me christians don't have an anal fixation.

joevol320 said:
LOL, evolution isn't science son.
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joevol320 said:
you guys have as much faith about evolution as I have creation.

...evidence of a designer is overwhelming.
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Link?

joevol320 said:
how you evolutionist can say that something came from nothing and that something eventually, through random events, created some of the most complex systems in our bodies (DNA, protein chains, etc... is just silly)

it's like if I took a bunch of parts, threw them around and over time the space shuttle was created, and randomly, every safety feature on the space shuttle fit perfectly.
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(Totally accurate analogy)

joevol320 said:
tell me where i'm wrong gaytorsportsfan. you cannot prove that a piece of bone is millions of years old. you can only assume.

you can't prove that animals evolved from one species to another because there are no transitional fossils.

you cannot do an experiment to create something from nothing because it's not possible.

gaytorsfan, lets prove something came from nothing and then we can go from there.
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Truly, this is the mind of an educated, rational, functioning adult at work. gators, a remarkably inspired witticism. I'm extremely impressed.

I'm also impressed that you don't think we can date rock, we don't have transitional fossils(which can just be called fossils, by the way) and that somehow the theory of evolution is predicated on "nothing coming from something" when in reality it's a total non sequitur.

joevol320 said:
gaytorsportsfan. ken would B slap you in a debate boy
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Fantastic, a devout follower of a man who believes this is an accurate portrayal of history:

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Surely, touting this man's status as a beacon of logic and reason will help your argument.

joevol320 said:
well you're too ignorant to have the title vol in your name. I think gator is more appropriate.
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Vol fans who disagree with Joe are secret gator fans, just like Obama is a secret muslim. Proven fact.

joevol320 said:
gravity is a theory? no gravity is proven. I just threw a ball up in the air and it came down to the ground. I did a test. gravity is proven, we don't know how gravity works, but we know that gravity does work because it can be tested. you're confused between the two.

genetics hasn't proved anything about evolution.

as for God and evolution, you can't believe in both. that is a different subject.
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joevol320 said:
i'm not over simplifying. it comes down to two theories.

evolution believes that something came from nothing and that something randomly evolved through mutations.

creation believes that God created the universe in 7 days.

I believe in creation. I reject the theory that we came from random nothingness

if the bible use evolution in creation, it would have said it.
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joevol320 said:
where did it come from? you can't give me any evidence that something came from nothing. until you can prove that, all this other stuff is irrelevant.

when you prove something came from nothing then we can discuss this silliness.
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What does "something coming from nothing" have to do with the changes in an organism over time?

joevol320 said:
but as a true christian, you have to trust genesis 1:1 because if you don't trust that verse, then the rest of the Bible is void.
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I guess Joe has taken a page out of Gary Busey's life: if you're going to be crazy, you might as well be full on bat**** crazy.

joevol320 said:
I do believe in the literal story of noah's ark. how did fossils come about, they had to have been sealed very quickly to be preserved.

how did fossil footprints become preserved ? it had to be something that happened quickly and not millions of years.

also, I am in agreement with Christ concerning the flood. in Luke, he specifically confirmed the flood was true.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svTzxVa-xQ

Math hard. Joe big dumb dumb. Joe no do math. Math anti christian.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
There are quite a few here who believe the way you do. Mys3lf included. We have already argued this point by point for about 6000 posts however and most are tired of it. There is a brilliant Pastor who posts here that can clown 99% to 100% of the pseudoscientists that post here using their own evidence and flawed methods of deduction. The fact in the matter is it takes just as much faith to believe that life came from a primordial soup that washed from rocks billions of years ago as it does to believe in creation. I believe it takes more faith actually to believe in all the randomness necessary. Faith is a dirty word to the atheist or agnostic though and you will never get them to admit that abiogenesis is a belief system and not testable, repeatable science as we know it. Their belief system must completely abandon the scientific method itself in order to simply exist and be believed. They will never admit this however.

The real issue here is humanism. while you and i choose to worship a God we cannot see through faith, they worship at the altar of the almighty SELF. The man in the mirror is the center of their universe and man itself is the greatest achievement of evolution.

Dont waste your time here. Pearls and swine..willfull ignorance.
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Another shining example of the type of person we should let determine what is taught in science class. Truly we cannot trust the scientists and the science in light of this guy's dissension. :whistling:
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Now I'm a Gator fan and a Catholic; this just keeps getting better.

If you call me a Vandy fan, it's on!
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I've been called a bammer troll mod, terrorist sympathizer, Obama lover and a flaming lib on VN. You just have to consider the source
 
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jp1 said:
I don't think that way, but that's okay. I plan on finding out who is right one day.
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If Adam and Eve were real historical figures, and they produced Cain and Abel, and Abel was murdered before producing any offspring (Genesis 4:1-8), where did Cain's wife come from after he settled in Nod (4:16-17)?
 
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#241
I have a question for some of the anti-religion crowd.

Specific to the story of Noah's Ark, how do you explain the wide and varied stories of a great deluge in ancient times that happened? Cultures from around the globe speak of a great flood that wipes out civilization except for the few lucky enough to survive it?

Curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
 
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bamawriter said:
The Bible says nothing about Adam and Eve producing a daughter. They had Cain, Abel, and later Seth. Three boys, no girls.

I know you're not making that argument, I'm just responding to it before someone picks it up and runs with it.
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Well that is precisely what their argument is and has to be if they are taking it literally. I've heard it first hand.

It's basically a deduction you have to come to in those parameters, that they had other children not mentioned up to that point. It does state later A and E had more sons and daughters but not before that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have a question for some of the anti-religion crowd.

Specific to the story of Noah's Ark, how do you explain the wide and varied stories of a great deluge in ancient times that happened? Cultures from around the globe speak of a great flood that wipes out civilization except for the few lucky enough to survive it?

Curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
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1) No geological evidence of a worldwide flood. It is one of the easiest stories of the Bible to prove. It is testable and falsifiable. It has failed every test.

2) The problem here would be that if the other stories are true, then Noah's story is false. The other stories are not Noah's story.

3) It is entirely possible that such stories are based on regional floods. They happen to this day. Not hard to believe that a true story of a regional flood (and the saving of animals) turned into a mythological story over time.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
How would there be evidence to support that? It's just as plausible as any theory
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You're either confusing or equivocating the words hypothesis and scientific theory.

They mean different things - yet you keep applying the word "theory" to creationism. Quit that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have a question for some of the anti-religion crowd.

Specific to the story of Noah's Ark, how do you explain the wide and varied stories of a great deluge in ancient times that happened? Cultures from around the globe speak of a great flood that wipes out civilization except for the few lucky enough to survive it?

Curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
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I believe it's several accounts based on a single earlier account, based on a large localized flood event that was likely real. I happen to think the Noah account is borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
1) No geological evidence of a worldwide flood. It is one of the easiest stories of the Bible to prove. It is testable and falsifiable. It has failed every test.

2) The problem here would be that if the other stories are true, then Noah's story is false. The other stories are not Noah's story.

3) It is entirely possible that such stories are based on regional floods. They happen to this day. Not hard to believe that a true story of a regional flood (and the saving of animals) turned into a mythological story over time.
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That was kind of the point I was getting at. But in each of the civilizations, they have the common link of a great flood (perhaps not worldwide, but the world wasn't that "big" back then) and of selected individuals surviving it.

Even many theologians agree the entire Ark story is apocryphal for the most part. But believe in the principle behind it (survivors of a massive deluge) as written in the OT.
 
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Septic said:
You're either confusing or equivocating the words hypothesis and scientific theory.

They mean different things - yet you keep applying the word "theory" to creationism. Quit that.
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And they continue to confuse evolution and abiogenesis; related but not nearly the same thing, nor would any scientist ever claim abiogenisis is anything more than a widely accepted hypothesis.

Contrary to what seems to be believed, as far as what started it all, science has no problem saying "we don't know".
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I believe it's several accounts based on a single earlier account, based on a large localized flood event that was likely real. I happen to think the Noah account is borrowed for the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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So explain the Native American tales of the same nature. Or India. They didn't have access to the works of Gilgamesh. Perhaps the Indian civilizations did, but how would the tale of such a thing have crossed the oceans to lands unknown to the Sumerian people?
 
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Grand Vol said:
That was kind of the point I was getting at. But in each of the civilizations, they have the common link of a great flood (perhaps not worldwide, but the world wasn't that "big" back then) and of selected individuals surviving it.

Even many theologians agree the entire Ark story is apocryphal for the most part. But believe in the principle behind it (survivors of a massive deluge) as written in the OT.
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There are a lot who strongly disagree. They would counter it is very important to the ideas of sin, family (with relation to God), the law, grace, and covenant theology.

It also opens up the can of worms being literal vs figurative interpretation of the Bible (God's word). It is hard to maintain this one part is figurative while another part is absolutely and with total confidence, literal. As crazy as the fundamentalists are with respect to empirical evidence, they understand this dilemma and believe what they believe due to this dilemma.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I believe it's several accounts based on a single earlier account, based on a large localized flood event that was likely real. I happen to think the Noah account is borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
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Not to be confused with the Epic of Gargamel.
 
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