Fast Foward: Jan 1, 2008? Fulmer Excuses

#76
#76
OrangeEmpire said:
I don't blame Sanders, Fulmer in the end has control. I don't think Fulmer trusted Sanders or let him have "creative" control of the offense.

Fulmer needs to let go.
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That is NOT going to happen for the foreseeable future.

Firing a 9 season 10-win coach with the only NC UT has won in the past 50+ years after a season in which the Vols finished in the top 10 would leave this program in total shambles. What idiot would work for such a program?
 
#77
#77
utmba93 said:
That is NOT going to happen for the foreseeable future.

Firing a 9 season 10-win coach with the only NC UT has won in the past 50+ years after a season in which the Vols finished in the top 10 would leave this program in total shambles. What idiot would work for such a program?
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????????

I was arguing Fulmer needs to let go of the control he has over offense and trust someone other than DC.

:blink:
 
#78
#78
OrangeEmpire said:
????????

I was arguing Fulmer needs to let go of the control he has over offense and trust someone other than DC.

:blink:
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I think he'll do that, but I don't think he'll forfeit any and all input on either the O, D, or special teams. He is the Head Football Coach.
 
#79
#79
utmba93 said:
These guys have heart and character. They're on the right track. A lot of teams would have folded after those 3 losses. Give 'em some loving man... and then hope like heck they don't forget those losses. I'm confident they won't. Eric Berry is a great leader and Vol through and through. Those lossess looked as bad to him as they did to the most critical NegaVol. Have some faith, Vol faithful!
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God bless you mba, you truly are a reincarnation of Orange Square and so convincing that I'm almost persuaded to be a Fulmerite.....so much so that I am declaring a moratorium on saying any thing negative about him until Jan 1 2009.........at which time we will be the new SEC champ and playing in a BCS Bowl.:whistling:
 
#80
#80
rockydoc said:
God bless you mba, you truly are a reincarnation of Orange Square and so convincing that I'm almost persuaded to be a Fulmerite.....so much so that I am declaring a moratorium on saying any thing negative about him until Jan 1 2009.........at which time we will be the new SEC champ and playing in a BCS Bowl.:whistling:
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Okay.:)
 
#85
#85
utmba93 said:
Depending on who they are managing, most fall somewhere on a contiuum between micomanagement and a laissez faire leadership style, like CPF.
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Fulmer = Laissez Faire?

Right........

Fulmer = Jackie Gleason in the Toy..............
 
#86
#86
Once again, here's a typical case that needs some pschoanalysis and, once again, it is up to level heads to provide this, which I am happy to do. People who strive relentlessly for perfection seldom achieve it. And they are the most unhappy lot because neither do they achieve perfection, nor find any happiness or satisfaction in anything short of it!! I truly feel sorry for them. I would like a 13 to 14 win season every year, but I also understand, given the odds, it probably isn't going to happen. Thus I choose to enjoy what success we have had. I'll deal with next year....next year.
 
#87
#87
OrangeEmpire said:
I don't blame Sanders, Fulmer in the end has control. I don't think Fulmer trusted Sanders or let him have "creative" control of the offense.

Fulmer needs to let go.
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I've seen this claim from alot of fans but never any support for it. The control CPF allowed Sanders seemed to decrease over time rather than increase. That suggests that CPF was trying to do his job for him to save him... that's a leadership flaw that someone with CPF's style would be apt to make.

IMO, the styles of the two guys just didn't mesh right. RS is a good guy and capable coach but unlike Cut he isn't a disciplinarian or perfectionist. CPF is probably too forgiving as well. Together, they progressively produced offenses that executed worse and were less disciplined over all.
 
#88
#88
The situation is similiar to Penn State with Paterno, the game plan calls for a scripted set of 18 plays with 15 set passes and Paterno changes the game plan and calls for 15 runs.

Sanders was a puppet for Fulmer because Fulmer did not completely trust him.
 
#89
#89
alavolfan said:
Once again, here's a typical case that needs some pschoanalysis and, once again, it is up to level heads to provide this, which I am happy to do. People who strive relentlessly for perfection seldom achieve it. And they are the most unhappy lot because neither do they achieve perfection, nor find any happiness or satisfaction in anything short of it!! I truly feel sorry for them. I would like a 13 to 14 win season every year, but I also understand, given the odds, it probably isn't going to happen. Thus I choose to enjoy what success we have had. I'll deal with next year....next year.[/quote]

LOL!

That is funny stuff!

I am not happy because I strive for perfection!

LOL!

:lolabove:

Where do you people come from?

:dunno:
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#90
#90
OrangeEmpire said:
The goal shouldn't be winning the SEC every year?
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No. It should be winning the SEC, BCS, leading the nation in total O, and shutting every opponent out.

Now, is the shortest path to that end keeping CPF, Chavis, and replacing Cut with a solid OC since they were within two poor decisions by Ainge of winning the SEC... or throwing the whole crowd out on the wishful fancy that there's a new messiah out there somewhere anxious to come in and meet the goals I listed in 2008?
 
#91
#91
OrangeEmpire said:
Strive to be 9-3!

Be average!

Now go and play your heart out for Tennessee!
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Wow... you are so right. Any coach that loses 3 or 4 games in two out of every three seasons should be fired, right?

Before you answer, check out UM's record at UF.
 
#93
#93
OrangeEmpire said:
????????

I was arguing Fulmer needs to let go of the control he has over offense and trust someone other than DC.

:blink:
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Ever led an organization with 10 or so subordinate leaders and over 100 people under them? You don't just hand "trust" out like candy. In fact, that's pretty much what got CPF in trouble to start with. He trusted RS too much then progressively learned to distrust him as things started going south.

I hope he finds someone with the gravitas to earn his trust quickly.
 
#94
#94
OrangeEmpire said:
Fulmer = Laissez Faire?

Right........

Fulmer = Jackie Gleason in the Toy..............
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:lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove::lolabove:

OE, you're not quite a fun as UT football, but you're getting there!

Life's true pleasures:
UT winning.
UF losing
UA losing.
OE posting.
 
#95
#95
sjt18 said:
No. It should be winning the SEC, BCS, leading the nation in total O, and shutting every opponent out.

Now, is the shortest path to that end keeping CPF, Chavis, and replacing Cut with a solid OC since they were within two poor decisions by Ainge of winning the SEC... or throwing the whole crowd out on the wishful fancy that there's a new messiah out there somewhere anxious to come in and meet the goals I listed in 2008?
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Angry?

What does leading the nation in offense and defense have to do with any thing?

Also, who said a new coach would be the immediate fix?
 
#97
#97
sjt18 said:
Ever led an organization with 10 or so subordinate leaders and over 100 people under them? You don't just hand "trust" out like candy. In fact, that's pretty much what got CPF in trouble to start with. He trusted RS too much then progressively learned to distrust him as things started going south.

I hope he finds someone with the gravitas to earn his trust quickly.
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At present, I have 22 people under me.

No I have never handed out trust like candy.

My senior sergeant was just deployed to Iraq. He was about as close to trust as I will ever get with any one.
 
#98
#98
OrangeEmpire said:
A good head coach, or adminstrator, does not micromanage.

:eek:k:
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Spoken like someone not experienced with having a subordinate leader in trouble. A good leader doesn't prefer to micromanage and won't do it for long without replacing the subordinate... but you do what you have to... CPF just didn't make the right evaluation on RS soon enough.
 
#99
#99
OrangeEmpire said:
At present, I have 22 people under me.

No I have never handed out trust like candy.

My senior sergeant was just deployed to Iraq. He was about as close to trust as I will ever get with any one.
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Jackie Gleason in the Toy...OE.... Fulmer...Lassiez Faire
 
#100
#100
sjt18 said:
Spoken like someone not experienced with having a subordinate leader in trouble. A good leader doesn't prefer to micromanage and won't do it for long without replacing the subordinate... but you do what you have to... CPF just didn't make the right evaluation on RS soon enough.
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Thanks for the judgement!

:good!:
 
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