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Freak, I know I've caused a lot of trouble on here, and, for that I apologize. I know I'm an idiot who often can't control his self.

But if you want to banish Rasputin Vol for being a complete troll, then that will be fine with me. He contributes nothing to this forum other than absolute nonsense. And I think that, more often than not, it's only meant to get a rile out of other posters.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They weren't paying their gas bill. They still owe Russia billions. What is Russia supposed to do? Be capitalists and turn a profit or be socialists trying to run a business into the ground?

Ukraine Owes Russia $5 Billion For Gas, And Moscow Wants Kiev To Pay Up - Business Insider
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Yeah, same bill that had been going on for years. Yet as soon as the government changes to a pro-EU one, Gazprom suddenly wants their money.

And the loan was actually paid off by the EU.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, same bill that had been going on for years. Yet as soon as the government changes to a pro-EU one, Gazprom suddenly wants their money.

And the loan was actually paid off by the EU.
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It will be a moot point soon. Once Russia bypasses Ukraine and completes their pipeline through Turkey, Greece and SE Europe, Ukraine won't have to worry about Russia influencing them with gas anymore.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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LOL what is it with terrorists using their real passports. Reminds me of how fortunate we were to find that hijackers passport intact under all that rubble of the WTC.
 
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red butler said:
LOL what is it with terrorists using their real passports. Reminds me of how fortunate we were to find that hijackers passport intact under all that rubble of the WTC.
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That and the Charlie Hebdo guy that left his passport on the seat of the rental car.

How many more times are they going to recycle the same story about passports allegedly being left behind?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Semantics though. It was an agreement with force behind it.





I'm not even sure the Russians would agree with half of what he posts.
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You know, you guys kill me with the constant belittling of Ras and myself. He's right though, you guys are living in the 60's with the Cold War mentality. America is on the right side and anyone who opposes us is on the wrong side.

Why is it that the European leaders that are closest and effected most by this crisis, looking for a diplomatic solution and opposing arming Kiev, while WE, not directly threatened in any form, sans the dollar, are pushing for weapons and war.

It looks to me as we do not want a peaceful solution...why is that?

As a matter of fact, when was the last time we negotiated peace with a country that failed to toe the line?
 
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Pacer92 said:
You know, you guys kill me with the constant belittling of Ras and myself. He's right though, you guys are living in the 60's with the Cold War mentality. America is on the right side and anyone who opposes us is on the wrong side.

Why is it that the European leaders that are closest and effected most by this crisis, looking for a diplomatic solution and opposing arming Kiev, while WE, not directly threatened in any form, sans the dollar, are pushing for weapons and war.

It looks to me as we do not want a peaceful solution...why is that?

As a matter of fact, when was the last time we negotiated peace with a country that failed to toe the line?
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Settle down.

I agree that eastern Ukraine matters more to Russia than to the United States. I've made that much clear through my recent posts.

But remind me again why Russia is justified in this crisis?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That and the Charlie Hebdo guy that left his passport on the seat of the rental car.

How many more times are they going to recycle the same story about passports allegedly being left behind?
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Freak? No? Seriously? This guy left orbit years ago. He's only here to get a rile out of other posters. But thank god he doesn't cuss! He is a true Christian in that regard.
 
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Pacer92 said:
You know, you guys kill me with the constant belittling of Ras and myself. He's right though, you guys are living in the 60's with the Cold War mentality. America is on the right side and anyone who opposes us is on the wrong side.

Why is it that the European leaders that are closest and effected most by this crisis, looking for a diplomatic solution and opposing arming Kiev, while WE, not directly threatened in any form, sans the dollar, are pushing for weapons and war.

It looks to me as we do not want a peaceful solution...why is that?

As a matter of fact, when was the last time we negotiated peace with a country that failed to toe the line?
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Funny, because you tend to bring it on yourself. You have this warped perception that I happen to be stuck in a 1950s (we were beginning detente in the 60s) mentality about Russia. I've met and worked with Russians and generally have a great respect for them. And historically believe they are a good people that have been through things this nation couldn't even possibly fathom.

But what you fail to comprehend and realize is what's happening in the Eastern Ukraine is straight out of the Cold War playbook. A proxy war. This isn't about NATO expansion or threatening Russia. This is about control of the buffer zone Russia wants and craves since historically, and I know you and Ras have no idea about it, Russia keeps getting invaded and invaded and invaded again. They feel they need that buffer zone in order to keep themselves safe. So they believe supporting the rebels will keep Mother Russia safer since there will be a gap between the pro-west Ukraine and traditional Russian borders.

Which is why I keep telling you two twits to study history more. In order to know what is going on over there, you have to understand the Russian mentality. And in turn know Russians look to the past to avoid the same mistakes. Which neither of you do at all. Do you honestly think the Warsaw Pact was to deter NATO? Really? In a continent that had been ravaged by two world wars in a span of 30 years, do you honestly think anyone wanted more conflict? No, the Soviet Union created it as a buffer zone to keep others out. They knew the further they could keep any foreign powers away from their borders, the safer they would be. And this is what's happening right now. Right out of Cold War 101.

And I truly find it sad you are either not intelligent enough or too stubborn to study history to know why this is all going on.
 
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Pacer92 said:
He's right though, you guys are living in the 60's with the Cold War mentality.
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The comical part about this line is that people saying it then turn around and say Russia "has no choice" but to respond because NATO (yes, Cold War NATO) is at its borders.

Edit: See Grand Vol above.
 
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Reported strike in Donetsk tonight. I don't think they hit a sunflower field.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuQ5EPnSE_4[/youtube]
 
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Grand Vol said:
Funny, because you tend to bring it on yourself. You have this warped perception that I happen to be stuck in a 1950s (we were beginning detente in the 60s) mentality about Russia. I've met and worked with Russians and generally have a great respect for them. And historically believe they are a good people that have been through things this nation couldn't even possibly fathom.

But what you fail to comprehend and realize is what's happening in the Eastern Ukraine is straight out of the Cold War playbook. A proxy war. This isn't about NATO expansion or threatening Russia. This is about control of the buffer zone Russia wants and craves since historically, and I know you and Ras have no idea about it, Russia keeps getting invaded and invaded and invaded again. They feel they need that buffer zone in order to keep themselves safe. So they believe supporting the rebels will keep Mother Russia safer since there will be a gap between the pro-west Ukraine and traditional Russian borders.

Which is why I keep telling you two twits to study history more. In order to know what is going on over there, you have to understand the Russian mentality. And in turn know Russians look to the past to avoid the same mistakes. Which neither of you do at all. Do you honestly think the Warsaw Pact was to deter NATO? Really? In a continent that had been ravaged by two world wars in a span of 30 years, do you honestly think anyone wanted more conflict? No, the Soviet Union created it as a buffer zone to keep others out. They knew the further they could keep any foreign powers away from their borders, the safer they would be. And this is what's happening right now. Right out of Cold War 101.

And I truly find it sad you are either not intelligent enough or too stubborn to study history to know why this is all going on.
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I've studied enough history to have a degree in it, grandpa! It's hard to make conversation or discussion with someone who thinks John Kerry and John McCain are upstanding peoole...
 
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Velo Vol said:
The comical part about this line is that people saying it then turn around and say Russia "has no choice" but to respond because NATO (yes, Cold War NATO) is at its borders.

Edit: See Grand Vol above.
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No, what's comical is the constant US lies that some of you guys hang your hat on.

And the fact that the US can't bully around Russia like it does the rest of Europe. If Russia is such a menace to the world like Sadaam, Gaddafi, Taliban and Al Queda, why not go in and take care of business??? Why a proxy war?
 
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Pacer92 said:
I've studied enough history to have a degree in it, grandpa! It's hard to make conversation or discussion with someone who thinks John Kerry and John McCain are upstanding peoole...
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Then you should be using it in this situation. And you darn well should know that if you've been invaded as many times as the Russians have over history, you're gonna want some distance between you and anyone that's not a satellite of yours or that you occupy (see the Warsaw Pact). And furthermore, if you did any studying in history, you'd know Putin is a straight up Cold Warrior at heart. And that's the game he's playing right now. Unfortunately, we have a bunch of idiots trying to play a different game and getting their ass handed to them at every turn. Putin understands power as it was during the Cold War. And knows the proper time to back off just like his predecessors did. And we haven't pushed him to that point yet because our own leadership is naive in world affairs and hasn't the first clue on how to respond to this situation.

And for the record, I'm not a big Kerry or McCain fan personally.
 
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Pacer92 said:
No, what's comical is the constant US lies that some of you guys hang your hat on.

And the fact that the US can't bully around Russia like it does the rest of Europe. If Russia is such a menace to the world like Sadaam, Gaddafi, Taliban and Al Queda, why not go in and take care of business??? Why a proxy war?
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And this is why we can't have a rational discussion about this...
 
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Pacer92 said:
No, what's comical is the constant US lies that some of you guys hang your hat on.

And the fact that the US can't bully around Russia like it does the rest of Europe. If Russia is such a menace to the world like Sadaam, Gaddafi, Taliban and Al Queda, why not go in and take care of business??? Why a proxy war?
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Because the world would end?
 
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