Obama National Prayer comments

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n_huffhines said:
I think it's important to accept these facts so that we can better interpret and manage the events of today. If slavery was practiced by Christians, and now it's viewed as an evil practice by Christians, what changed? We became better, more righteous, and it wasn't really based on religion? I argue it's because we got wealthier and more educated. What's the answer to defeating radical and violent Islam? Education and wealth, IMO. When the population as a whole values their own lives more, they will start to value the lives of others, too. We've had Christian terrorism here, but it got less problematic as we got smarter and richer.
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That salient point just flew over the heads of most in this forum.

Also, add in theocracy vs secular government.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Some are ridiculously wealthy. The masses are not wealthy or educated.
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Lifting sanctions won't change that. Governments need to condemn radical Islam, but what can be done when the government practices radical Islam like Iran or Saudi Arabia?
 
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davethevol said:
Lifting sanctions won't change that. Religious leadership aka imams need to condemn radical Islam, but what can be done when the government practices radical Islam like Iran or Saudi Arabia?
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helped it out a little. Now it shows the true hopelessness of the islam problem
 
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davethevol said:
Lifting sanctions won't change that. Governments need to condemn radical Islam, but what can be done when the government practices radical Islam like Iran or Saudi Arabia?
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Why are you looking for government to lead the way in social change? You are not going to get good results, whether you are in America or Iran. Change has to occur among the masses, then government follows.

Can you think of anything that government condemned and then the people were like, "Oh yeah, they make a good point. I'll change."

Government is just a reflection of the people.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think it's important to accept these facts so that we can better interpret and manage the events of today. If slavery was practiced by Christians, and now it's viewed as an evil practice by Christians, what changed? We became better, more righteous, and it wasn't really based on religion? I argue it's because we got wealthier and more educated. What's the answer to defeating radical and violent Islam? Education and wealth, IMO. When the population as a whole values their own lives more, they will start to value the lives of others, too. We've had Christian terrorism here, but it got less problematic as we got smarter and richer.

So what do I draw from that? Lift sanctions. Trade and communicate as much as possible. It won't give us results today, but neither is the war on terror. It seems to be getting worse.
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I suppose free trade and open communication would have beaten the Nazis as well? Good grief
 
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golfballs said:
I suppose free trade and open communication would have beaten the Nazis as well? Good grief
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Actually, sanctions crippled the German economy, which is what allowed Hitler to rally people against the rest of Europe and take political control, so yeah...free trade would have stopped the Nazis before they were ever a thing.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Islam has wealth. billions of dollars. They eschew education.
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n_huffhines said:
Some are ridiculously wealthy. The masses are not wealthy or educated.
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OK.. I think I get it. We need to ensure that they all have jobs and are educated. You do realize that islam does not condone education... especially of women. Seems a certain Nobel Peace Prize winner... one who actually EARNED the award... is a muslim woman who had acid thrown in her face or something like that... all because she wants an education.. Stupid woman.
 
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Seems to me his comments were factually correct. But of course some believe Obama is a secret agent Muslim terrorist. Thus, any comments he makes that in any way put context onto the discussion are in actuality just efforts by him to ensure Sharia law here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Seems to me his comments were factually correct. But of course some believe Obama is a secret agent Muslim terrorist. Thus, any comments he makes that in any way put context onto the discussion are in actuality just efforts by him to ensure Sharia law here.
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Comments can be factually correct and useless even damaging at the same time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Seems to me his comments were factually correct. But of course some believe Obama is a secret agent Muslim terrorist. Thus, any comments he makes that in any way put context onto the discussion are in actuality just efforts by him to ensure Sharia law here.
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So what. They are historically pointless and meaningless. We had an 8 game winning streak against Bama once upon a time. Doesn't mean squat now. Florida used to be a back burner team in the SEC.. for a million years. I'll bet you don't give that a second thought anymore.

I have no idea what sharia law has to do with this, but if you cant see his leanings towards love of the mooslim community over ours, no strength of glasses will help you. :clapping:

He's your boy. therefore, he can do no wrong.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Seems to me his comments were factually correct. But of course some believe Obama is a secret agent Muslim terrorist. Thus, any comments he makes that in any way put context onto the discussion are in actuality just efforts by him to ensure Sharia law here.
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You are side stepping the issue. Even if the facts are correct this has nothing to do with stopping ISIS here today right now. We aren't living in 1095 anymore and Jim Crow laws were abolished in 1964. The President seems to imply that he is really not going to implement any kind of strategy against terrorism because gee "some people in America way back a while ago did some bad things also".
 
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theFallGuy said:
You are side stepping the issue. Even if the facts are correct this has nothing to do with stopping ISIS here today right now. We aren't living in 1095 anymore and Jim Crow laws were abolished in 1964. The President seems to imply that he is really not going to implement any kind of strategy against terrorism because gee "some people in America way back a while ago did some bad things also".
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How many countries does have to bomb before you think he's tough on terrorism?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What is the appropriate answer?
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I don't really know if there is a sure fire answer. I have some ideas that I'd like to see tried.

1) become energy independent to the point of being a world supplier
2) abandon the ME, keep relations with friendly countries but no more support for countries like SA
3) let it be know we will no longer be arming Israel but will come to their defense if attacked
 
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