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#676
#676
GLDunlap said:
...Wonder how many NC winning OC's over the last 20 years are still successful OC's. That would be an interesting stat...
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I can answer that for you!

But first, a clarification: let's change your "still successful OCs" to "still successful OCs or head coaches," because head coach is the natural progression for an OC. You want to measure success, and that's success. So the question is, "how many NC-winning OCs over the last 20 years are still successful OCs or Head Coaches?"

Over the past 20 years (1995 to 2014 seasons), there have been 22 national champions (split championships in 1997 and 2003). Here are the teams, their head coaches, and their offensive coordinators:

1995 - Nebraska - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1996 - Florida - Steve Spurrier - (HC was own OC)
1997 - Michigan (AP) - Lloyd Carr - Mike DeBord
........ Nebraska (USA Today/ESPN) - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1998 - Tennessee - Phil Fulmer - David Cutcliffe
1999 - Florida State - Bobby Bowden - Mark Richt
2000 - Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - Mark Mangino
2001 - Miami - Larry Coker - Rob Chudzinski
2002 - Ohio State - Jim Tressel - (HC was own OC)
2003 - USC (AP) - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
......... LSU (USA Today/ESPN) - Nick Saban - Jimbo Fisher
2004 - USC - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
2005 - Texas - Mack Brown - Greg Davis
2006 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2007 - LSU - Les Miles - Gary Crowton
2008 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2009 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2010 - Auburn - Gene Chizik - Gus Malzahn
2011 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2012 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Doug Nussmeier
2013 - Florida State - Jimbo Fisher - (HC was own OC)
2014 - Ohio State - Urban Meyer - Tom Herman

[note: NCAA stripped USC of the 2004 title, so technically there wasn't one that year...but we're talking about what happened to the OCs afterward, so I include them]

Let's toss out Tom Herman, since there hasn't been time since the most recent championship game for his career to (further) succeed or otherwise.

That leaves thirteen OCs to track down: Mike DeBord, David Cutcliffe, Mark Richt, Mark Mangino, Rob Chudzinski, Norm Chow, Jimbo Fisher, Greg Davis, Dan Mullen, Gary Crowton, Jim McElwain, Gus Malzahn, Doug Nussmeier.

Right off the bat, can declare 9 of the 13 successes, as they have been chosen to head coach (college or NFL) since their championship OC season. This group includes Cutcliffe at Duke, Richt at Georgia, Mangino at Kansas, Chudzinski at Cleveland Browns, Chow at Hawaii, Fisher at FSU, Mullen at Mississippi State, McElwain at Florida, Malzahn at Auburn. Not only all head coaches, but four of them are HCs in the SEC!

Of those 9, the one that might be termed less than successful in spite of getting a HC gig is Chudzinski. After three years with Larry Coker and the Hurricanes, he jumped sideways to position coach and OC gigs in the NFL for nine years before getting a chance at the Head Coach job with Cleveland. That was a spectacular failure, and he was fired after a single 4-12 season. Now he's "associate head coach" for Indianapolis. I'll leave it to you to decide whether we count Chud as success or not post-OC championship role.

Some might want to add Mangino in as less than stellar, but keep in mind that regardless of what happened after, he guided his Kansas team to a 12-win season and was named national coach of the year in 2007. Whatever may have come later, his career clearly went up after he OC'd an NC team.

So what about the other four? Each deserves a glance on his own, because all are interesting and potentially instructive to our own OC opening:

(1) Greg Davis - Had four more really good years at Texas after the NC, with 10+ wins each year and B12 champions in 2009. But then an ignominious end to that job, resigning after the 2010 season, worst of the Mack Brown era (5-7 overall, 2-6 in B12). Davis took a year off before joining the Iowa Hawkeyes, again as OC, where he remains today. Career has neither skyrocketed like the head coaching group above, nor completely failed...more of a quiet decline.

(2) Gary Crowton is a curious case. He was actually head coach at La Tech and BYU before joining Les Miles at LSU for the national championship. The relative trajectory of his career since has been slightly downward, based on the decreasing prominence of schools/locations at which he has coached (LSU to Maryland to CFL-Winnipeg to Southern Utah). What's most curious is how he left each job, with rumors of him angling for new jobs and trying to get out from his current situation before being fired (at both LSU and Maryland). One gets the impression of a man who, having tasted the relative autonomy of the head coaching position, was chaffing at being a subordinate later in life.

(3) Doug Nussmeier - There's really not enough meat on the bones of this coach's post-NC career to discern anything from. He jumped sideways (OC-to-OC) from Alabama to Michigan a year ago, partly for more $$ and partly because Coach Saban was starting to make noise about changing his offensive scheme. And just last month, Nussmeier split from Michigan to join McElwain's new staff in Florida, still as OC. Interesting, but too early to say where this man's career is going.

(4) Mike DeBord - And so we end up at the guy whose potential hiring caused GLDunlap to ask this question. I won't waste your time going over DeBord's career since the 1997 NC, there's plenty of info on him all over this forum. I will say that, all in all, the small group of American football coaches who have won a NC in the past 20 years are very successful people. Depending on how you count it, somewhere from 8 to 10 of the 13 have had continuing success after that NC, many right up to this very day. Does that mean that DeBord would have continuing success as Tennessee's OC in 2015 and beyond? No. But it doesn't mean he wouldn't, either. When you look at DeBord do you see a potential Cutcliffe? Richt? Mangino? Davis? You'll have to decide that for yourself.

No intent to provide any 'answers' here, just something more to think on, based on GLDunlap's interesting question.

Cheers, and Go Vols!
 
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#677
#677
VFL-82-JP said:
I can answer that for you!

But first, a clarification: let's change your "still successful OCs" to "still successful OCs or head coaches," because head coach is the natural progression for an OC. You want to measure success, and that's success. So the question is, "how many NC-winning OCs over the last 20 years are still successful OCs or Head Coaches?"

Over the past 20 years (1995 to 2014 seasons), there have been 22 national champions (split championships in 1997 and 2003). Here are the teams, their head coaches, and their offensive coordinators:

1995 - Nebraska - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1996 - Florida - Steve Spurrier - (HC was own OC)
1997 - Michigan (AP) - Lloyd Carr - Mike DeBord
........ Nebraska (USA Today/ESPN) - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1998 - Tennessee - Phil Fulmer - David Cutcliffe
1999 - Florida State - Bobby Bowden - Mark Richt
2000 - Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - Mark Mangino
2001 - Miami - Larry Coker - Rob Chudzinski
2002 - Ohio State - Jim Tressel - (HC was own OC)
2003 - USC (AP) - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
......... LSU (USA Today/ESPN) - Nick Saban - Jimbo Fisher
2004 - USC - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
2005 - Texas - Mack Brown - Greg Davis
2006 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2007 - LSU - Les Miles - Gary Crowton
2008 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2009 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2010 - Auburn - Gene Chizik - Gus Malzahn
2011 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2012 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Doug Nussmeier
2013 - Florida State - Jimbo Fisher - (HC was own OC)
2014 - Ohio State - Urban Meyer - Tom Herman

[note: NCAA stripped USC of the 2004 title, so technically there wasn't one that year...but we're talking about what happened to the OCs afterward, so I include them]

Let's toss out Tom Herman, since there hasn't been time since the most recent championship game for his career to (further) succeed or otherwise.

That leaves thirteen OCs to track down: Mike DeBord, David Cutcliffe, Mark Richt, Mark Mangino, Rob Chudzinski, Norm Chow, Jimbo Fisher, Greg Davis, Dan Mullen, Gary Crowton, Jim McElwain, Gus Malzahn, Doug Nussmeier.

Right off the bat, can declare 9 of the 13 successes, as they have been chosen to head coach (college or NFL) since their championship OC season. This group includes Cutcliffe at Duke, Richt at Georgia, Mangino at Kansas, Chudzinski at Cleveland Browns, Chow at Hawaii, Fisher at FSU, Mullen at Mississippi State, McElwain at Florida, Malzahn at Auburn. Not only all head coaches, but four of them are HCs in the SEC!

Of those 9, the one that might be termed less than successful in spite of getting a HC gig is Chudzinski. After three years with Larry Coker and the Hurricanes, he jumped sideways to position coach and OC gigs in the NFL for nine years before getting a chance at the Head Coach job with Cleveland. That was a spectacular failure, and he was fired after a single 4-12 season. Now he's "associate head coach" for Indianapolis. I'll leave it to you to decide whether we count Chud as success or not post-OC championship role.

Some might want to add Mangino in as less than stellar, but keep in mind that regardless of what happened after, he guided his Kansas team to a 12-win season and was named national coach of the year in 2007. Whatever may have come later, his career clearly went up after he OC'd an NC team.

So what about the other four? Each deserves a glance on his own, because all are interesting and potentially instructive to our own OC opening:

(1) Greg Davis - Had four more really good years at Texas after the NC, with 10+ wins each year and B12 champions in 2009. But then an ignominious end to that job, resigning after the 2010 season, worst of the Mack Brown era (5-7 overall, 2-6 in B12). Davis took a year off before joining the Iowa Hawkeyes, again as OC, where he remains today. Career has neither skyrocketed like the head coaching group above, nor completely failed...more of a quiet decline.

(2) Gary Crowton is a curious case. He was actually head coach at La Tech and BYU before joining Les Miles at LSU for the national championship. The relative trajectory of his career since has been slightly downward, based on the decreasing prominence of schools/locations at which he has coached (LSU to Maryland to CFL-Winnipeg to Southern Utah). What's most curious is how he left each job, with rumors of him angling for new jobs and trying to get out from his current situation before being fired (at both LSU and Maryland). One gets the impression of a man who, having tasted the relative autonomy of the head coaching position, was chaffing at being a subordinate later in life.

(3) Doug Nussmeier - There's really not enough meat on the bones of this coach's post-NC career to discern anything from. He jumped sideways (OC-to-OC) from Alabama to Michigan a year ago, partly for more $$ and partly because Coach Saban was starting to make noise about changing his offensive scheme. And just last month, Nussmeier split from Michigan to join McElwain's new staff in Florida, still as OC. Interesting, but too early to say where this man's career is going.

(4) Mike DeBord - And so we end up at the guy whose potential hiring caused GLDunlap to ask this question. I won't waste your time going over DeBord's career since the 1997 NC, there's plenty of info on him all over this forum. I will say that, all in all, the small group of American football coaches who have won a NC in the past 20 years are very successful people. Depending on how you count it, somewhere from 8 to 10 of the 13 have had continuing success after that NC, many right up to this very day. Does that mean that DeBord would have continuing success as Tennessee's OC in 2015 and beyond? No. But it doesn't mean he wouldn't, either. When you look at DeBord do you see a potential Cutcliffe? Richt? Mangino? Davis? You'll have to decide that for yourself.

No intent to provide any 'answers' here, just something more to think on, based on GLDunlap's interesting question.

Cheers, and Go Vols!
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Them there's a lotta words.
 
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#680
#680
I would think that if Butch had hired or was planning on hiring it would have already leaked by now. All it would take is some 4* or 5*recruit to talk about flipping unless Butch eased his mind about who would be calling plays. That kid tells someone who tells someone who tells a reporter. I could be wrong, but I think if Butch had someone in mind he would have announced and put all this speculation to bed. If he's already hired someone and is just being coy about it then that's a silly game to play...doesn't seem like his style. I think he's just taking his time and trying to do it right.

My guess is that DeBord is his fall back option. If some of the really solid up and coming candidates like Canada or Mazzone fall through (probably about money) then he knows DeBord is available and interested. I'm predicting Canada will be the guy, but you never know.
 
#681
#681
VFL34 said:
Keep in mind, despite all this, we continue to get top recruits committing and no players decomitting. As I said, butch has a plan and he will see it through. No matter who is the OC, it will be butches play book with tweaks. He is a man of consistency and if you want tennessee to win the east, an easy transition in offense is what they need. All this is positive stuff.
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You mean to tell me that Butch doesn't need VolorNuttin or Leb to hold his hand through everything. Yeah right
 
#682
#682
so...nobody knows what the heck is going on? Where did all the insiders go? I need more rumors.
 
#683
#683
@McMurphyESPN: NC State OC Matt Canada, 1 of 3 candidates for Tennessee OC job, will remain w/NCSt, source told @ESPN
 
#687
#687
The same Sanford that turned down tOSU? That would be a pull.

Boise State offensive coordinator Mike Sanford Jr. has reportedly decided to stay with the Broncos after an interview with Ohio State.

According to Sports Illustrated's Thayer Evans, Sanford interviewed for the offensive coordinator job with the Buckeyes, open for 2015 after Tom Herman decided to take the head coaching job at Houston. But after interviewing for the position, Sanford reportedly has decided to stay at Boise State.

Bryan Harsin's first season in Boise has been a success, so keeping the staff intact is obviously a boost for the Broncos moving forward. Boise State had the Mountain West's most productive offense (494.3 yards per game) and ranked in the top 10 nationally, averaging 39.7 points per game.

Sanford played quarterback for Boise State (2000-04) and was an offensive assistant at Stanford for three seasons before joining Harsin's staff as the offensive coordinator. He was also reportedly in the mix for the Vanderbilt job, which went to Wisconsin's Andy Ludwig.
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per CBSSports.com
 
#692
#692
VFL-82-JP said:
I can answer that for you!

But first, a clarification: let's change your "still successful OCs" to "still successful OCs or head coaches," because head coach is the natural progression for an OC. You want to measure success, and that's success. So the question is, "how many NC-winning OCs over the last 20 years are still successful OCs or Head Coaches?"

Over the past 20 years (1995 to 2014 seasons), there have been 22 national champions (split championships in 1997 and 2003). Here are the teams, their head coaches, and their offensive coordinators:

1995 - Nebraska - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1996 - Florida - Steve Spurrier - (HC was own OC)
1997 - Michigan (AP) - Lloyd Carr - Mike DeBord
........ Nebraska (USA Today/ESPN) - Tom Osborne - (HC was own OC)
1998 - Tennessee - Phil Fulmer - David Cutcliffe
1999 - Florida State - Bobby Bowden - Mark Richt
2000 - Oklahoma - Bob Stoops - Mark Mangino
2001 - Miami - Larry Coker - Rob Chudzinski
2002 - Ohio State - Jim Tressel - (HC was own OC)
2003 - USC (AP) - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
......... LSU (USA Today/ESPN) - Nick Saban - Jimbo Fisher
2004 - USC - Pete Carroll - Norm Chow
2005 - Texas - Mack Brown - Greg Davis
2006 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2007 - LSU - Les Miles - Gary Crowton
2008 - Florida - Urban Meyer - Dan Mullen
2009 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2010 - Auburn - Gene Chizik - Gus Malzahn
2011 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Jim McElwain
2012 - Alabama - Nick Saban - Doug Nussmeier
2013 - Florida State - Jimbo Fisher - (HC was own OC)
2014 - Ohio State - Urban Meyer - Tom Herman

[note: NCAA stripped USC of the 2004 title, so technically there wasn't one that year...but we're talking about what happened to the OCs afterward, so I include them]

Let's toss out Tom Herman, since there hasn't been time since the most recent championship game for his career to (further) succeed or otherwise.

That leaves thirteen OCs to track down: Mike DeBord, David Cutcliffe, Mark Richt, Mark Mangino, Rob Chudzinski, Norm Chow, Jimbo Fisher, Greg Davis, Dan Mullen, Gary Crowton, Jim McElwain, Gus Malzahn, Doug Nussmeier.

Right off the bat, can declare 9 of the 13 successes, as they have been chosen to head coach (college or NFL) since their championship OC season. This group includes Cutcliffe at Duke, Richt at Georgia, Mangino at Kansas, Chudzinski at Cleveland Browns, Chow at Hawaii, Fisher at FSU, Mullen at Mississippi State, McElwain at Florida, Malzahn at Auburn. Not only all head coaches, but four of them are HCs in the SEC!

Of those 9, the one that might be termed less than successful in spite of getting a HC gig is Chudzinski. After three years with Larry Coker and the Hurricanes, he jumped sideways to position coach and OC gigs in the NFL for nine years before getting a chance at the Head Coach job with Cleveland. That was a spectacular failure, and he was fired after a single 4-12 season. Now he's "associate head coach" for Indianapolis. I'll leave it to you to decide whether we count Chud as success or not post-OC championship role.

Some might want to add Mangino in as less than stellar, but keep in mind that regardless of what happened after, he guided his Kansas team to a 12-win season and was named national coach of the year in 2007. Whatever may have come later, his career clearly went up after he OC'd an NC team.

So what about the other four? Each deserves a glance on his own, because all are interesting and potentially instructive to our own OC opening:

(1) Greg Davis - Had four more really good years at Texas after the NC, with 10+ wins each year and B12 champions in 2009. But then an ignominious end to that job, resigning after the 2010 season, worst of the Mack Brown era (5-7 overall, 2-6 in B12). Davis took a year off before joining the Iowa Hawkeyes, again as OC, where he remains today. Career has neither skyrocketed like the head coaching group above, nor completely failed...more of a quiet decline.

(2) Gary Crowton is a curious case. He was actually head coach at La Tech and BYU before joining Les Miles at LSU for the national championship. The relative trajectory of his career since has been slightly downward, based on the decreasing prominence of schools/locations at which he has coached (LSU to Maryland to CFL-Winnipeg to Southern Utah). What's most curious is how he left each job, with rumors of him angling for new jobs and trying to get out from his current situation before being fired (at both LSU and Maryland). One gets the impression of a man who, having tasted the relative autonomy of the head coaching position, was chaffing at being a subordinate later in life.

(3) Doug Nussmeier - There's really not enough meat on the bones of this coach's post-NC career to discern anything from. He jumped sideways (OC-to-OC) from Alabama to Michigan a year ago, partly for more $$ and partly because Coach Saban was starting to make noise about changing his offensive scheme. And just last month, Nussmeier split from Michigan to join McElwain's new staff in Florida, still as OC. Interesting, but too early to say where this man's career is going.

(4) Mike DeBord - And so we end up at the guy whose potential hiring caused GLDunlap to ask this question. I won't waste your time going over DeBord's career since the 1997 NC, there's plenty of info on him all over this forum. I will say that, all in all, the small group of American football coaches who have won a NC in the past 20 years are very successful people. Depending on how you count it, somewhere from 8 to 10 of the 13 have had continuing success after that NC, many right up to this very day. Does that mean that DeBord would have continuing success as Tennessee's OC in 2015 and beyond? No. But it doesn't mean he wouldn't, either. When you look at DeBord do you see a potential Cutcliffe? Richt? Mangino? Davis? You'll have to decide that for yourself.

No intent to provide any 'answers' here, just something more to think on, based on GLDunlap's interesting question.

Cheers, and Go Vols!
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Absolutely freaking epic research there. I need to ask more questions on here. Outstanding!!!
 
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#693
#693
Ok so he was the Oc when Michigan won its last title, but go ask any Michigan fan what they think of his role in that. Also Michigan just hired its 3rd hc since Carr left. If all those coaching searches he was never a serious candidate, yet according to many here he was the mastermind that brought that title. Heck the DC that was only there 2 seasons was talked about more in the media as a possible replacement for Carr. Why not the OC that brought them a national title?
Because his play calling had very little to do with that title and in 2007 was considered to bland and predictable. Sound familiar? Yeah so let's go replace one guy many thought was to bland and predictable with his play calling and replace him with another one that hasn't even been an OC in 8 years and has ZERO experience with the read option.
 
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#694
#694
According to Ole Hyamms, Helton is also now out as a candidate for our OC. The list is getting shorter and shorter, especially those that we were favoring. Wonder if its a money issue?
 
#695
#695
Orange&White said:
According to Ole Hyamms, Helton is also now out as a candidate for our OC. The list is getting shorter and shorter, especially those that we were favoring. Wonder if its a money issue?
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If true, that would worry me that it truly is Debord....or hopefully CZA
 
#697
#697
Just speaking for myself here but I won't be jumping off any ledges if it's DeBord. Everything seems to be pointing to him being the hire. I'm not happy about it, but there's really nothing I can do but sit back and hope for the best.
 
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#700
#700
I am 700 some miles away , but I have actually not heard anything that makes me think Debord is the hire . I see some of my less than favorite sports bloggers and lots of VN's finest jumping to the end , that lets them gripe the most . We will see in a few days . hoping for what CBJ thinks is the best hire . The fans and the bloggers do not have a well paying job on the line here . We all just want to win lots of games .
 
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