Ukraine Protests

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So speaking English obviously makes him an American soldier gotcha.

Military uniform, a weapon, speaks with American accent...

What does it make him?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

See Ras? This is how you argue a point without looking like a tin foil conspiracy theorist claiming the CIA is responsible for everything.

What is the difference between what he said and what I said? At this point, it is all speculation on both sides.

 

[Grand Vol]

What is the difference between what he said and what I said?

Posting history. He points out items without making a judgment call and doesn't act like everything in the Ukraine was from the planning of the US or CIA.

 

[Velo Vol]

http://rt.com/news/226079-ukraine-foreign-military-mariupol/

I didn't know Mariupol was a vacation destination for US military?

U.S. special forces on a covert operation to dispose of "Carlos," IMO.

Interesting how all the background noise disappears right when the guy is supposedly speaking.

 

[volprof]

Russians have made suffering and masochism national institutions, akin to the Russian Orthodox Church and "Holy Russia."

Not by bread alone: Russians urged to go without for Putin

On the one hand, it's kind of admirable; on the other, though, it's really pathetic too.

 

[volprof]

Regarding the video everyone is currently commenting on, I think we're currently seeing a) the usual, "It had to be them, not us" response from that side when civilians are killed and b) Russian state-media's attempt to slide the accidental exposing of Russian troops in Ukraine last week back under the rug by diverting attention.

 

[Grand Vol]

Regarding the video everyone is currently commenting on, I think we're currently seeing a) the usual, "It had to be them, not us" response from that side when civilians are killed and b) Russian state-media's attempt to slide the accidental exposing of Russian troops in Ukraine last week back under the rug by diverting attention.

Or it's a private military contractor doing work in the Ukraine. Just because Blackwater/Xe/Academi says they don't have PMCs on the ground doesn't mean there aren't companies out there that would take that contract.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Posting history. He points out items without making a judgment call and doesn't act like everything in the Ukraine was from the planning of the US or CIA.

So I have a bias... so what? I still recognize that at this stage of the game, until we get proof one way or the other, I can speculate just like you were able to in your previous post.

My theory and I'm sticking to it.

You prefer to use your sources (the Obama administration) and I choose to use information from various sources along with logic and history.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Or it's a private military contractor doing work in the Ukraine. Just because Blackwater/Xe/Academi says they don't have PMCs on the ground doesn't mean there aren't companies out there that would take that contract.

And who would be the most likely entity cutting those contractor checks?

 

[Grand Vol]

So I have a bias... so what? I still recognize that at this stage of the game, until we get proof one way or the other, I can speculate just like you were able to in your previous post.

You go quite a bit beyond bias and into a realm of fantasy. But if it makes you happy to think otherwise, go for it.

You prefer to use your sources (the Obama administration) and I choose to use information from various sources along with logic and history.

lulz at the thought of me believing anything coming out of the White House. And I would sincerely hope you never again use the term logic to describe how you post.

And I'm pretty sure my theory is far more plausible than your constant screeching about Victoria Nuland pushing the button herself and the CIA creating an elaborate cover story.

 

[volprof]

Burhead, that second video posted by RT, isn't that footage from the aftermath that you linked yesterday? If so, that film has been doctored, because there was no commentary on the original, if I remember correctly (but you could still hear sound).

That's pretty impressive. A "news" source doctoring a video to "prove" a political point. Just precious.

 

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So I have a bias... so what? I still recognize that at this stage of the game, until we get proof one way or the other, I can speculate just like you were able to in your previous post.



You prefer to use your sources (the Obama administration) and I choose to use information from various sources along with logic and history.

It's impossible for them to be biased because anything not from MSM is Russian state funded propaganda. The excuses are never ending..

 

[Grand Vol]

And who would be the most likely entity cutting those contractor checks?

The Ukrainian Government. Or their Provincial (or whatever they call a State over there) Government. Or could be a fairly wealthy business that hired on a group for additional security.

And if the Ukraine actually did hire them out, that's wrong of them to seek expert help?

 

[volprof]

It's impossible for them to be biased because anything not from MSM is Russian state funded propaganda. The excuses are never ending..

I goes both sides are just two peas in a pod.

 

[Grand Vol]

It's impossible for them to be biased because anything not from MSM is Russian state funded propaganda. The excuses are never ending..

I'm still waiting on you to admit you have no idea if that's an American soldier and you jumped to conclusions without considering alternatives...

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

lulz at the thought of me believing anything coming out of the White House. And I would sincerely hope you never again use the term logic to describe how you post.

And I'm pretty sure my theory is far more plausible than your constant screeching about Victoria Nuland pushing the button herself and the CIA creating an elaborate cover story.

Right now, you indeed are siding with the White House narrative. I know that would concern me.

And it is really hard to laugh off the influence of the State Department when we not only have proof of Nuland in Ukraine and on the phone game planning the next transitional govt after Yanukovich, but we also have State Department dubious activity in Libya in 2012.

You want to talk about a track record... that is where the pattern of corruption is.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And if the Ukraine actually did hire them out, that's wrong of them to seek expert help?

From a PR standpoint (assuming you are the White House), why would you allow ANY American contractor into a contested area like this when the US wants to distance itself from this and place blame on Russia actually sending in troops?

 

[Grand Vol]

From a PR standpoint (assuming you are the White House), why would you allow ANY American contractor into a contested area like this when the US wants to distance itself from this and place blame on Russia actually sending in troops?

And you assume (and like most of the time, wrongly) the PMCs are entirely US based.

No such thing as having an overseas office to conduct business out of...

But you are correct the White House would likely not want US Contractors in that area. But once Blackwater Bob or Triple Canopy Tim are past the US borders, they are out of US control and oversight. Funny how that works.

 

[Grand Vol]

 

[Velo Vol]

Looks like Russia has a new "friend" in the Greek government.

 

[volprof]

Looks like Russia has a new "friend" in the Greek government.

The leftists? I thought Russia was mostly just cozy with the European far-right (except for in Ukraine of course and despite its protestations about Nazis running wild across Europe). I guess as long as they're all anti-European, the Kremlin is good with it.

 

[Burhead]

Politics «NSDC will consider dismissal of Victor Muzhenko - source». Breaking news «NovostiMira»

The Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council is considering the dismissal of Viktor Muzhenko as Chief of the General Staff. They are also debating the declaration of martial law in the east.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Looks like Russia has a new "friend" in the Greek government.

Pivot East...

You guys are on the wrong side of history.

 

[Velo Vol]

The leftists? I thought Russia was mostly just cozy with the European far-right (except for in Ukraine of course and despite its protestations about Nazis running wild across Europe). I guess as long as they're all anti-European, the Kremlin is good with it.

They were anti-sanctions. Looks like they backed off that somewhat. Campaigning v. governing, I suppose.

Greek Anti-Austerity Party Edges Toward the Mainstream in Foreign Policy - Bloomberg

 

[Velo Vol]

You guys are on the wrong side of history.

Yes, it's called the present.