Chris Kyle: American hero or

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n_huffhines said:
They don't infringe on our liberty with their actions, but I care about everyone's liberty. Our liberty is threatened by the debt accrued operating the military industrial complex.

Eisenhower warned us about this. He told us exactly what would happen.

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Great, you and Sam might want to educate yourself on just who profits from the military industrial complex. I'll give you a hint 99% of them are not/did not wear a uniform.
 
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hog88 said:
And how exactly is the military involved in this?
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By being the muscle of the President and the CIA.

Waterboarding, Torture, Indefinite detention of suspected terrorists, assassination of American citizens, warrantless searches of citizens... And so on.
 
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hog88 said:
:thud:

Civilians.

Yes some Generals and other officers end up as consultants employees ext but it's the civilians/politicians making the money.
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I know what the answer is. I don't know why you think I have to be educated on this. Why are you bringing it up?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
By being the muscle of the President and the CIA.

Waterboarding, Torture, Indefinite detention of suspected terrorists, assassination of American citizens, warrantless searches of citizens... And so on.
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what the hell are you talking about?

How is the military involved in this, I haven't heard or seen a soldier searching anyone's car on the side of I-40?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
By being the muscle of the President and the CIA.

Waterboarding, Torture, Indefinite detention of suspected terrorists, assassination of American citizens, warrantless searches of citizens... And so on.
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This is usually the work of intelligence interrogators and/or private contractors. US military personnel are not involved.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
I did what my country trained me to do and that makes me no hero. If you spill your blood in a foreign country, for my country, you are MY hero. God Bless the USA! Thank god you were born in this great country or who/whatever you believe in.
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What if I got a splinter from tearing down a mosque sign? I mean, it was a big splinter and it bled a lil bit. :thumbsup:
 
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#840
I can see Trut's POV. Heroic actions do not necessarily make a hero. To put it in simple terms, we all have it in us to do good and/or do bad. Different situations may bring about different results. Given that, how do you define someone as a hero? Maybe straight forward heroes don't exist. Maybe the only heroes that exist in this world are personal heroes. For some, Chris Kyle could easily be seen as a personal hero. Everyone has different criteria as to what makes a hero. I think I'll avoid what makes a hero to me simply because it invites too much arguement. We all have different ways of seeing the world, and the people that live in it.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
No
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Then what kind of reform are you suggesting? Given some of your statements, I have to assume you have a problem with the structure of the military. If it's how the military is used by politicians, then I don't really understand your criticism of the military itself.
 
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Weezer said:
I can see Trut's POV. Heroic actions do not necessarily make a hero. To put it in simple terms, we all have it in us to do good and/or do bad. Different situations may bring about different results. Given that, how do you define someone as a hero? Maybe straight forward heroes don't exist. Maybe the only heroes that exist in this world are personal heroes. For some, Chris Kyle could easily be seen as a personal hero. Everyone has different criteria as to what makes a hero. I think I'll avoid what makes a hero to me simply because it invites too much arguement. We all have different ways of seeing the world, and the people that live in it.
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Well said.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
By being the muscle of the President and the CIA.

Waterboarding, Torture, Indefinite detention of suspected terrorists, assassination of American citizens, warrantless searches of citizens... And so on.
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Small potatoes in the big scheme of things.
 
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Weezer said:
Then what kind of reform are you suggesting? Given some of your statements, I have to assume you have a problem with the structure of the military. If it's how the military is used by politicians, then I don't really understand your criticism of the military itself.
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I view the military as a tool/instrument used by the government, so when I criticize the military, it is a direct condemnation of the operator of that tool/instrument. People affiliated with the military get upset when I say these things because many of them view the military as some sort of altruistic organization that is doing the Lord's work. To me, it is like a computer program. Garbage in = garbage out. As far as how I would change it? No clue.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I view the military as a tool/instrument used by the government, so when I criticize the military, it is a direct condemnation of the operator of that tool/instrument. People affiliated with the military get upset when I say these things because many of them view the military as some sort of altruistic organization that is doing the Lord's work. To me, it is like a computer program. Garbage in = garbage out. As far as how I would change it? No clue.
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You are so wrong.

It is an honorable and respected organization that takes orders from civilians. In most cases civilians who have no honor and deserve no respect.

Don't lump the men and women who choose to serve in with the vermin who give the orders and set policy. They don't have to be your hero, you don't have to show them gratitude, most want neither. But they do absolutely deserve your respect for the job they do.
 
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hog88 said:
You are so wrong.

It is an honorable and respected organization that takes orders from civilians. In most cases civilians who have no honor and deserve no respect.

Don't lump the men and women who choose to serve in with the vermin who give the orders and set policy. They don't have to be your hero, you don't have to show them gratitude, most want neither. But they do absolutely deserve your respect for the job they do.
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I'm not lumping anyone with anything. I'm not making any moral judgements about the individuals that form the composition of the military. I'm saying that as an instrument, the military is wielded irresponsibly by the operator.

Your response is precisely the type of response I was talking about in the previous post.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I'm not lumping anyone with anything. I'm not making any moral judgements about the individuals that form the composition of the military. I'm saying that as an instrument, the military is wielded irresponsibly by the operator.

Your response is precisely the type of response I was talking about in the previous post.
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You need to work on your communication skills. I can go back and refresh your memory with several of your posts where you disparage the military if I must. It might not be what you meant but it is what you said.
 
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hog88 said:
You need to work on your communication skills. I can go back and refresh your memory with several of your posts where you disparage the military if I must. It might not be what you meant but it is what you said.
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Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. I have not been disparaging against the military. Any criticism I've had of them has been through the prism of them being controlled by the government.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
And here's a less sarcastic point. If you're truly afraid of losing your individual liberties, I would be keeping a much closer eye on our federal government and military than the guys warring over patches of sand across the ocean.
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SamRebel35 said:
It depends on what their orders are. Remember, a patriot does what his government tells him with no questions asked. Blindly follows orders.
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SamRebel35 said:
This as well as spending several hours per week reading various subjects over the last couple of years. I would have considered myself a neocon as recently as 2012. I talked a ton about the virtues of small government while simultaneously blindly defending the liberty crushing overreach of the military and police force.
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SamRebel35 said:
Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension. I have not been disparaging against the military. Any criticism I've had of them has been through the prism of them being controlled by the government.
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Your prism is broken.
 
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