'15 MD OT Pat Allen

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Ericvol2096 said:
VQ says he isn't the best practice player. I take that as he doesn't put in the consistent effort everyday the staff wants.

Hopefully he sees the opportunity this offseason, grows up and gets it together.

If he and Blair could take over the T's and allow us to rotate Jackson, Kerbyson and Robertson at G we'd be set.
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Not directed at you - what VQ suggests as the excuse, true or not, gets me riled up. That's the reason they didn't start Dobbs, right? That's the excuse they used - in camp he was the least accurate, not ready, blah, blu, blah. That's usually a convenient coach speak excuse for liking one guy more than another due to their own rationalization.

Kendrick is recognized as one of the strongest linemen on the team. That takes discipline to get done. He just didn't fit whatever image of the type OT the coaches wanted IMO. Yet, he was very effective in each game he got to play. As was Dobbs. No winning season without Dobbs. Mediocre to bad O-line play at T for more than half dozen games because Kendrick wasn't used.

Wish they would just say they effed it up and won't make that mistake again.
 
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zero-sum said:
Dobbs was not ready. His scrambling skill never in doubt his decisions, field vision, and accuracy were

Berry? He returned KO’s and saw action in the secondary.

Agree, Blairs film looked good but it means absolutely nothing once he (or any player for that matter) steps on campus.

Coleman could have used a RS but was the better of the two during Spring and Summer camps, at one point running with the first team before the season opener then Gilliam tore his ACL.



As fans we may question actions and/or motivation but no coach would intentionally undermine his program.[/QUOTE]

Some here on VN would swear coaches do undermine their program. :crazy:

Our VN armchair coaches also swear they know more about the players from their sofa than the coaches who see them everyday in the weight room or practice field.
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sjt18 said:
Apologize if I misread your comment.



I understood that point. I just disagree. Playing right away isn't always the best way to optimize a player's talent. But more importantly, Jones appears to use RS's the way I described when he can. The better the roster gets... the more he will do it.

He also appears to play guys on ST's while they're being developed. Recently he mad a comment that confirmed something that I mentioned as likely . The guys who aren't being asked to play on O or D or else are being RS'd have a different work out routine during the season. I imagine their diet and S&C is much more like an off-season or summer program. Those playing have more of a maintenance type of program. Basically, they've given Blair 50% more time to develop physically.
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I suspect that CBJ is taking the longer view on some players believing that playing them this year may not provide the payoff that RS and developing them for future seasons will. For example, playing Blair this year may not have provided another win or 2 this season, but could impact the next 2 seasons a great deal more with time to develop and learn the system.

CBJ could also be thinking that he wouldn't be fired for a 6-6 or even a 5-7 season in 2014, but needs at least 7, if not 8 or 9 to stay off the hot seat in 2015.
 
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Mahoney knows how to develop OL. If he didn't, CBJ wouldn't have him on the staff. I keep seeing VN posters saying that Kendrick performed better than other of the players. I went back and looked at the games when he played and he was soundly beaten over and over. He, like all the OL, improved as the season progressed; but he just wasn't good enough and consistent enough to start. Some of the comments are so wrong about Kerbyson and are an injustice.

One thing is clear. We need a talent like Allen in this class. He will get significant PT next season, although it would be much better for him to redshirt. I'm still hoping for both Allen and St. Louis to be Vols. What an injection of talent that would be.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I don't think you were trying to deceive, but stating it the way you did is just incorrect. Not really much else to say about it.
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zero-sum said:
Kendrick played for Gilliam when he went down, started a couple of games and was in the rotation (of every game) at both tackle spots. I read that Mahoney juggled players around trying four or five different (starting) lineups throughout the season.
Butch, on the other hand has said on several occasions “being listed as a starter means nothing you have to put a name down. It’s the rotation that’s important”
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OL is different.
 
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Rob Sale to Pat Allen - hey, Pat, did you know I was the best coffee fetcher for two National Championship teams at Alabama. So you should let me coach you at Georgia with Coach Schottenheimer Jr. who helped run the Jets into the ground. So...how do you take your coffee, Pat? Cream? Sugar?
 
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dbowen said:
Rob Sale to Pat Allen - hey, Pat, did you know I was the best coffee fetcher for two National Championship teams at Alabama. So you should let me coach you at Georgia with Coach Schottenheimer Jr. who helped run the Jets into the ground. So...how do you take your coffee, Pat? Cream? Sugar?
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You say that as if UGA isn't saying:

"Why play for UT where they destroyed 4 OL draft grades to the point where only 1 was drafted in the first 4 Rounds when all were given a Round 4 or better grade going into 2013? And look at their OL now, they're awful due to coaching."

While there are a compendium of issues (scheme mismatch, injuries, etc) that were to play, don't think that UGA doesn't have plenty of ground to stand on when trying to discredit our OL coaching ability.
 
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agent|orange said:
You say that as if UGA isn't saying:

"Why play for UT where they destroyed 4 OL draft grades to the point where only 1 was drafted in the first 4 Rounds when all were given a Round 4 or better grade going into 2013? And look at their OL now, they're awful due to coaching."

While there are a compendium of issues (scheme mismatch, injuries, etc) that were to play, don't think that UGA doesn't have plenty of ground to stand on when trying to discredit our OL coaching ability.
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And so, couldn't UT counter that by saying, "we have the 4th ranked OL class coming in for 2015. We have some of the best RB's in the country with us/joining us."
 
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kmkemp11 said:
Besides, if Blair is awesome, he will go pro after playing one year regardless and now you just lost a couple games for no reason.
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honest question when was the last time an OT went pro,first or second round, after one year of playing? seems like blair would have to be that good to leave early.
 
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LouderVol said:
honest question when was the last time an OT went pro,first or second round, after one year of playing? seems like blair would have to be that good to leave early.
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The only way for it to ever happen would be a JUCO, so you have to consider the sample size. How many top OT's come out of JUCO every year? I haven't done any research, but I guestimate 5 or less.
 
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agent|orange said:
You say that as if UGA isn't saying:

"Why play for UT where they destroyed 4 OL draft grades to the point where only 1 was drafted in the first 4 Rounds when all were given a Round 4 or better grade going into 2013? And look at their OL now, they're awful due to coaching."

While there are a compendium of issues (scheme mismatch, injuries, etc) that were to play, don't think that UGA doesn't have plenty of ground to stand on when trying to discredit our OL coaching ability.
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I'm not sure what you were looking at if you thought we had 4 lineman with a RD 4 grade or better heading into 2013. That's orange KoolAid if you thought we had 4 Olineman that should have been drafted in top 4 RDs of NFL. We had 2 in James and Richardson. Richardson went undrafted due to knee issues and fact he had to redshirt his rookie year of NFL. He would have been first round based off actual play. James was given 2nd to 3rd rd grade coming in and Butch helped him become first rd pick. stone was at best always late RdS to undrafted. Fulton went where he always would have went.
 
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Haha.

2014 Sentiment: Blair sucks. He couldn't even start for team 118 that had a tackle with shredded ligaments in one knee and a club on one hand.

2015 Sentiment: Blair is potentially one starting season away from bolting for the NFL. That makes us mad because we could have got production out of him during 2014 had it not been for he redshirt.

Poking fun because I've had his same roller coaster of opinions in my head.
 
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logginlarry said:
And so, couldn't UT counter that by saying, "we have the 4th ranked OL class coming in for 2015. We have some of the best RB's in the country with us/joining us."
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No, because the point was they don't know how to coach, not that they can't recruit. I'm sure Blair RS has been brought up in some negative recruiting conversations too.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I'm not sure what you were looking at if you thought we had 4 lineman with a RD 4 grade or better heading into 2013. That's orange KoolAid if you thought we had 4 Olineman that should have been drafted in top 4 RDs of NFL. We had 2 in James and Richardson. Richardson went undrafted due to knee issues and fact he had to redshirt his rookie year of NFL. He would have been first round based off actual play. James was given 2nd to 3rd rd grade coming in and Butch helped him become first rd pick. stone was at best always late RdS to undrafted. Fulton went where he always would have went.
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Fulton is the worst black eye for the staff imo. He looked so bad here that he almost went undrafted, but got to KC and landed a starting job almost right away because he was so good. My KC friends rag me about how they're glad we squandered such a talent and couldn't get enough production out of him to get him the payday he deserved, because they got him for cheap. May not be fair to our coaches,but that's the perception.
 
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engineerVOL said:
Haha.

2014 Sentiment: Blair sucks. He couldn't even start for team 118 that had a tackle with shredded ligaments in one knee and a club on one hand.

2015 Sentiment: Blair is potentially one starting season away from bolting for the NFL. That makes us mad because we could have got production out of him during 2014 had it not been for he redshirt.

Poking fun because I've had his same roller coaster of opinions in my head.
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I seriously doubt Blair will have an opportunity to leave early. I actually doubt that he will even be an average player considering he got beat out by Gilliam. All of the discussion around it is centered on the (IMO) fantasy that the RS was to align his best years with the time that we would be mostly likely to make a run at the SEC.
 
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jave36 said:
Fulton is the worst black eye for the staff imo. He looked so bad here that he almost went undrafted, but got to KC and landed a starting job almost right away because he was so good. My KC friends rag me about how they're glad we squandered such a talent and couldn't get enough production out of him to get him the payday he deserved, because they got him for cheap. May not be fair to our coaches,but that's the perception.
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So one season under Butch did that in their alcohol damaged KC minds? Or do they give Dools some love?
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I seriously doubt Blair will have an opportunity to leave early. I actually doubt that he will even be an average player considering he got beat out by Gilliam. All of the discussion around it is centered on the (IMO) fantasy that the RS was to align his best years with the time that we would be mostly likely to make a run at the SEC.
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I just don't think he was physically or mentally ready to help the team...if he plays like Orlando Pace for just one season and goes NFL? Worth it in a trade for :victory: spare seasons unprepared. For those saying he couldn't have done worse? Sure he could.
 
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