'15 MD OT Pat Allen

[jave36]

I think it's pretty unfair to ask any freshman OL to come in and compete with SEC dlines. Coleman is a strong guy, but also playing out of position. He's a center, not a RT or LT. That's askin a lot out of a guy who is 18 and fresh out of high school, especially in his conference.

We played him because there really wasn't anyone else, and in practice he looked better than the other options. He will get better and will help this team moving forward.

But there was someone else. Kendrick was way better than Kerbyson and Thomas.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Oh.... and Worley DID beat the other two QB's out. No one could have anticipated Gilliam's injury nor how poor the pass pro would be. With a middling OL, UT probably wins 7 or 8 games with a healthy Worley who leads the East in passing.

The guy was never the chump so many of you want to believe.

I thought Worley did an awesome job. Especially when you consider it's an offense that he was really not suited for and the poor offensive line play. I thought he was at his best during the GA game. It would have been interesting to see how the season would have played out with a healthy Worley.

 

[sjt18]

I think it's pretty unfair to ask any freshman OL to come in and compete with SEC dlines. Coleman is a strong guy, but also playing out of position. He's a center, not a RT or LT. That's askin a lot out of a guy who is 18 and fresh out of high school, especially in his conference.

We played him because there really wasn't anyone else, and in practice he looked better than the other options. He will get better and will help this team moving forward.

Hopefully Thomas develops into a good player... but lots of Fr play better in the SEC on the OL. By the end of '10, UT was starting 3 Fr on the OL and getting reasonably good play.

I think Jones should get credit for what he tried with Dobbs and what he did with Blair. However, I think it was a mistake to play Thomas and not RS him. As it turns out, there were much better options available to play at OT. It wasn't a bad call at the time... it just didn't turn out to be the best call.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

I said it before and I'll say it again: I think Blair comes out and just goes full beast mode for us at LT next season.

I agree

 

[sjt18]

But there was someone else. Kendrick was way better than Kerbyson and Thomas.

Kendrick's inability to get on the field was a mystery to me too. Every time he got in, he was noticeably more athletic than the other guys they had playing OT.

 

[scvolfan7]

Kendrick's inability to get on the field was a mystery to me too. Every time he got in, he was noticeably more athletic than the other guys they had playing OT.

Don't know if you've heard but jayson swain hinted towards off the field issues. I completely agree though he was soooooo much better at LT than Kerbyson

 

[sjt18]

Don't know if you've heard but jayson swain hinted towards off the field issues. I completely agree though he was soooooo much better at LT than Kerbyson

Yeah. I read that from you or someone else. Hopefully if true he pulls it together.

 

[Vol464]

It's been said over and over CBJ was trying to accommodate the Dobbs family wanting him to have a RS year. It's no great sandbagging conspiracy theory. Dobbs was getting the RS until we had to burn it. Pretty simple IMO.

Wasting your letters.

 

[kmkemp11]

We had many long, looooooong arguments with a couple of posters on this board about Peterman "winning" the #2 job. What we "know" is that NP wasn't named the back up until after Worley was named #1. At that point, the back up was for emergencies and mop up only. You didn't necessarily have to have your best QB.

When they DID need their next best QB to start the last several games, Peterman's tenure as starter lasted one week and a few plays vs Bama. It was pretty obvious that Dobbs was their #2 guy at that point. According to Jancek, he had been playing very well as the scout team QB as well. It is no stretch to believe that the ONLY reason he wasn't #2 is that he had a RS to take while NP didn't.

I think that's exactly what I said.

Which games though? Let's say the investment works and UT gets a very good OT for the next two years. I doubt RSing Blair cost UT a game. Even if it did... could the investment win them 2 or 3 or 5 more over then next two years?

That's the call Jones had to make and IMO he made the right one.

My point is that winning 1 or 2 games this year is more important because it would enhance our recruiting to the point that we would be able to replace him, probably with better recruits than we are currently getting. Besides, if Blair is awesome, he will go pro after playing one year regardless and now you just lost a couple games for no reason.

 

[scvolfan7]

Yeah. I read that from you or someone else. Hopefully if true he pulls it together.

Oh OK I thought I had posted it but couldn't remember where.

 

[jspvol76]

I think it's pretty unfair to ask any freshman OL to come in and compete with SEC dlines. Coleman is a strong guy, but also playing out of position. He's a center, not a RT or LT. That's askin a lot out of a guy who is 18 and fresh out of high school, especially in his conference.

We played him because there really wasn't anyone else, and in practice he looked better than the other options. He will get better and will help this team moving forward.

I thought this was actually the knock on Thomas? He lacks strength, especially in the upper body.

 

[SobeVol]

pardon my ignorance here, but I have a questions for those more informed in the recruitment process.
People talk about "silent commits". Does this really go on or is it just wishful thinking on the part of the fans. What advantage does it provide the program or recruit?
It sounds just like gamesmanship if it were real.
I just don't understand why a recruit or program would go silent.
In the end it seems that could really bite one or both parties in the buttock.

 

[Ericvol2096]

Kendrick's inability to get on the field was a mystery to me too. Every time he got in, he was noticeably more athletic than the other guys they had playing OT.

VQ says he isn't the best practice player. I take that as he doesn't put in the consistent effort everyday the staff wants.

Hopefully he sees the opportunity this offseason, grows up and gets it together.

If he and Blair could take over the T's and allow us to rotate Jackson, Kerbyson and Robertson at G we'd be set.

 

[vol lady]

Any positive news on Allen recently? Thanks guys!

 

[LaagerVol]

I'm curious as to why everyone says Coleman Thomas is a center playing out of position, other than him playing C in high school??

 

[sigchig]

pardon my ignorance here, but I have a questions for those more informed in the recruitment process.
People talk about "silent commits". Does this really go on or is it just wishful thinking on the part of the fans. What advantage does it provide the program or recruit?
It sounds just like gamesmanship if it were real.
I just don't understand why a recruit or program would go silent.
In the end it seems that could really bite one or both parties in the buttock.

Momentum and timing. That's what it's all about in recruiting. Yes silent commits do happen. Their announcement is delayed to a point where either the recruit has an important date in mind, or CBJ has a date in mind that will help with promoting the national brand, help with keeping the fanbase engaged, or even to make VolNation feel better after a tough loss. It happened a lot with the '14 class. It's all about the perception. If we had our class shored up in August, there is no news up until signing day. These commits are spread out to keep the attention on UT and keep them coming back for more. It's all about marketing. :hi:

 

[hillsborovol]

Look man, there was a single comment about your original post that simply stated it wasn't technically correct. An admission you've made yourself. Every other post was in response to another guy asking why it wasn't technically correct. No one is butthurt over anything. You were the one getting upset. If you want to get upset over someone correcting you in a very civil manner, then go ahead, but I hope you have better ways to spend your day.

I don't think you were trying to deceive, but stating it the way you did is just incorrect. Not really much else to say about it.

I am surprised that your powers of observation extend to my unstated feelings. . Did you get upset when I pointed out the inconsistencies in your rebuttal?

This silly discussion needs to end and get back on topic of Pat Allen.

 

[kmkemp11]

I am surprised that your powers of observation extend to my unstated feelings. .

Yea, it was a big leap to assume that your need to followup to being corrected meant you were upset.

Did you get upset when I pointed out the inconsistencies in your rebuttal?

I'm not sure you know what a rebuttal is.

 

[Mick]

I'm curious as to why everyone says Coleman Thomas is a center playing out of position, other than him playing C in high school??

He was a high rated center coming out of High School and that is where he "projects" at on the collegiate level. When all is said and done, he will be our starting center at some point.

 

[SobeVol]

Momentum and timing. That's what it's all about in recruiting. Yes silent commits do happen. Their announcement is delayed to a point where either the recruit has an important date in mind, or CBJ has a date in mind that will help with promoting the national brand, help with keeping the fanbase engaged, or even to make VolNation feel better after a tough loss. It happened a lot with the '14 class. It's all about the perception. If we had our class shored up in August, there is no news up until signing day. These commits are spread out to keep the attention on UT and keep them coming back for more. It's all about marketing. :hi:

thanks. I wasn't sure if this wasn't just an urban myth for fanatics

 

[Catbone]

Any positive news on Allen recently? Thanks guys!

Negatory

 

[sjt18]

I think that's exactly what I said.

Apologize if I misread your comment.

My point is that winning 1 or 2 games this year is more important because it would enhance our recruiting to the point that we would be able to replace him, probably with better recruits than we are currently getting. Besides, if Blair is awesome, he will go pro after playing one year regardless and now you just lost a couple games for no reason.

I understood that point. I just disagree. Playing right away isn't always the best way to optimize a player's talent. But more importantly, Jones appears to use RS's the way I described when he can. The better the roster gets... the more he will do it.

He also appears to play guys on ST's while they're being developed. Recently he mad a comment that confirmed something that I mentioned as likely . The guys who aren't being asked to play on O or D or else are being RS'd have a different work out routine during the season. I imagine their diet and S&C is much more like an off-season or summer program. Those playing have more of a maintenance type of program. Basically, they've given Blair 50% more time to develop physically.

 

[kmkemp11]

Apologize if I misread your comment.

Yea, NP. I didn't mean that to sound harsh, I was just confused because I felt like you restated what I said.

I understood that point. I just disagree. Playing right away isn't always the best way to optimize a player's talent. But more importantly, Jones appears to use RS's the way I described when he can. The better the roster gets... the more he will do it.

He also appears to play guys on ST's while they're being developed. Recently he mad a comment that confirmed something that I mentioned as likely . The guys who aren't being asked to play on O or D or else are being RS'd have a different work out routine during the season. I imagine their diet and S&C is much more like an off-season or summer program. Those playing have more of a maintenance type of program. Basically, they've given Blair 50% more time to develop physically.

Yea, that is all good information, some of which I didn't know. Still, I think if he was the best option, he would have been on the field.

 

[zero-sum]

Dobbs and Berry are pretty good examples of that not happening.

Just look at Blairs JuCo film. Infinitely better in every way at tackle than Coleman.

Dobbs was not ready. His scrambling skill never in doubt his decisions, field vision, and accuracy were

Berry? He returned KO’s and saw action in the secondary.

Agree, Blairs film looked good but it means absolutely nothing once he (or any player for that matter) steps on campus.

Coleman could have used a RS but was the better of the two during Spring and Summer camps, at one point running with the first team before the season opener then Gilliam tore his ACL.

As fans we may question actions and/or motivation but no coach would intentionally undermine his program.

 

[zero-sum]

But there was someone else. Kendrick was way better than Kerbyson and Thomas.

Kendrick played for Gilliam when he went down, started a couple of games and was in the rotation (of every game) at both tackle spots. I read that Mahoney juggled players around trying four or five different (starting) lineups throughout the season.
Butch, on the other hand has said on several occasions “being listed as a starter means nothing you have to put a name down. It’s the rotation that’s important”