'15 MD OT Pat Allen

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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
Blair wasn't strong enough physically to play in the SEC. I'd rather have him for two solid years instead of basically wasting one. Coleman getting the experience will help him in the long run IMO. I'm hoping our OL surprises some people. They honestly can't go anywhere but up.

I do agree though that Coleman should have never been playing OT this year. Blair just wasn't the answer...
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9 months on campus? How long does it take to get in shape? Coleman reportedly couldn't bench anything either.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
Or you could just state facts accurately. If you want to put it into one short phrase, you can just say "2 top 25 OL". But that doesn't sound nearly as impressive, does it? That's because it isn't.
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Maybe you should state your facts accurately before you focus your keen observations on my grevious shortcomings. You suggest that I was attempting to disguise the actual rankings. But I clearly posted that Jones was the #9 rated OT and Boulware was the #10 OG in my post. In the future to avoid offending the overly sensitive, I will add that they are top 10 OL "at their respective positions." I thought it was the obvious intent because it is mathematically impossible otherwise. In no way was it an attempt to deceive as you implied.

And I didn't change it to "top 25 OL" because that a false statement using your definition.
 
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Give_All_Vol said:
Was it not happening with Dobbs before Worley got hurt? I tend to think that it was. I'm not sure he would have gotten the nod over Worley to start at the beginning of the year but he surely was better than Peterman.
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I don't think it was clear to the coaches that Dobbs was 2nd best. At the very least, they determined that there wasn't significant separation between him and Peterman. Given that, it was in their best interest to redshirt one of them. Peterman already had a redshirt so Dobbs was the choice. Until it starts costing you games. Which is the whole point with Blair. No coach will cost his team games just to save a year of a player's eligibility. They can get more players. There might not be a tomorrow if they lose games.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I don't think it was clear to the coaches that Dobbs was 2nd best. At the very least, they determined that there wasn't significant separation between him and Peterman. Given that, it was in their best interest to redshirt one of them. Peterman already had a redshirt so Dobbs was the choice. Until it starts costing you games. Which is the whole point with Blair. No coach will cost his team games just to save a year of a player's eligibility. They can get more players. There might not be a tomorrow if they lose games.
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First off, they were guaranteed a tomorrow until after year 3 at minimum.

Secondly, I'll choose to believe that they were sandbagging instead of so inept that they thought Peterman was better than Dobbs.
 
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jave36 said:
9 months on campus? How long does it take to get in shape? Coleman reportedly couldn't bench anything either.
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I think I said Coleman shouldn't have been playing OT and that Blair wasn't the answer. We had a couple other guys who should have been playing RT. Coleman could have used a RS as well.
 
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You guys are crazy if you will sacrifice long term gains for short term gains. This is program building, not just team building. We can b!+ch and moan about it now, but IMO, we will be thanking Butch for it in the nearer than expected future.
 
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jave36 said:
First off, they were guaranteed a tomorrow until after year 3 at minimum.

Secondly, I'll choose to believe that they were sandbagging instead of so inept that they thought Peterman was better than Dobbs.
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It's been said over and over CBJ was trying to accommodate the Dobbs family wanting him to have a RS year. It's no great sandbagging conspiracy theory. Dobbs was getting the RS until we had to burn it. Pretty simple IMO.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
You guys are crazy if you will sacrifice long term gains for short term gains. This is program building, not just team building. We can b!+ch and moan about it now, but IMO, we will be thanking Butch for it in the nearer than expected future.
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UTMVol76 said:
Would not be surprised if they try and Redshirt him this year.
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I agree with all of this.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
It's been said over and over CBJ was trying to accommodate the Dobbs family wanting him to have a RS year. It's no great sandbagging conspiracy theory. Dobbs was getting the RS until we had to burn it. Pretty simple IMO.
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It's not a conspiracy, I don't fault Butch for it, just saying they weren't playing the best available by rolling coleman out at OT.

If Butch is letting parents call personnel shots, that's a serious problem.
 
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jave36 said:
Blair will be adequate, and even though it was probably sandbagging, everyone will herald Mahoney as a miracle worker for turning him from worse than Coleman to good LT in just one year, even though he's been better than Coleman all along. We need a HS LT to be ready to replace Blair though, and we need to hope beyond hope Blair stays healthy because we haven't recruited anyone else to play there.
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CBJ didn't think Blair was ready to play. Mahoney is a position coach. He coaches the particulars of the position... but anyone who doesn't think Butch's fingerprints are all over EVERY decision about who starts, who plays, who RS's, etc... is crazy. Mahoney may make recommendations but Bajakian and Jones make the decision with Jones having the ultimate call.

The notion that Butch would passively assent to whatever a coordinator or position coach says... goes completely against his character.

That's the long answer. The short answer is that CBJ made the call to prepare Blair for a year. I personally think it was wise on his part and will optimize what they get from Blair's career at UT.
 
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sjt18 said:
CBJ didn't think Blair was ready to play. Mahoney is a position coach. He coaches the particulars of the position... but anyone who doesn't think Butch's fingerprints are all over EVERY decision about who starts, who plays, who RS's, etc... is crazy. Mahoney may make recommendations but Bajakian and Jones make the decision with Jones having the ultimate call.

The notion that Butch would passively assent to whatever a coordinator or position coach says... goes completely against his character.

That's the long answer. The short answer is that CBJ made the call to prepare Blair for a year. I personally think it was wise on his part and will optimize what they get from Blair's career at UT.
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Fair points all around. I'm not passing judgment on the decision. I hate that we might have beaten UF this year if anyone but Thomas was out there, but if we get two better years out of Blair, I'll be happy.
 
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jave36 said:
It's not a conspiracy, I don't fault Butch for it, just saying they weren't playing the best available by rolling coleman out at OT.

If Butch is letting parents call personnel shots, that's a serious problem.
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IMHO, Jones watched a carousel of Jake and Mahoney trying one combination after another without being able to settle on a group. He took the bull by the horns and said, "Let's go with this".

I agree that time taught them that Thomas wasn't the best option. But they were probably stuck in paralysis of analysis so he broke them out of it.

This speculation but it seemed to be consistent with the public comments from these 3 coaches at the time of the decision. Frankly, after Gilliam got hurt they were trying to choose the best of many bad options. They had to make a call and did.
 
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jave36 said:
Fair points all around. I'm not passing judgment on the decision. I hate that we might have beaten UF this year if anyone but Thomas was out there, but if we get two better years out of Blair, I'll be happy.
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I can live with it if we beat Florida this year and go 10-2. That's the deal.

:)
 
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sjt18 said:
IMHO, Jones watched a carousel of Jake and Mahoney trying one combination after another without being able to settle on a group. He took the bull by the horns and said, "Let's go with this".

I agree that time taught them that Thomas wasn't the best option. But they were probably stuck in paralysis of analysis so he broke them out of it.

This speculation but it seemed to be consistent with the public comments from these 3 coaches at the time of the decision. Frankly, after Gilliam got hurt they were trying to choose the best of many bad options. They had to make a call and did.[/QUOTE]

I think this scenario would have made Bill Belichek look like a complete idiot if he were in those shoes.
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jave36 said:
First off, they were guaranteed a tomorrow until after year 3 at minimum.

Secondly, I'll choose to believe that they were sandbagging instead of so inept that they thought Peterman was better than Dobbs.
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1. They really aren't. What if UT won 2 games this year? Do you really believe they are back next year? Besides that, though, the net win you get from winning games will get you better players regardless. It's never a good idea to save a player at the cost of games.

2. Dobbs did not seem clearly better than Peterman all throughout the Spring and following the practice threads. Obviously it turns out that he is. Maybe Peterman just doesn't have the right stuff on gameday. Maybe Dobbs improved as the season went along. Maybe the coaches underestimated how much his running ability would help the offense. Maybe they just judged poorly. I'm not sure.
 
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jave36 said:
9 months on campus? How long does it take to get in shape? Coleman reportedly couldn't bench anything either.
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IMO, starting Thomas turned out to be a mistake. He probably should have RS'd. However, (also IMO) RSing Blair was the right thing to do.
 
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sjt18 said:
IMO, starting Thomas turned out to be a mistake. He probably should have RS'd. However, (also IMO) RSing Blair was the right thing to do.
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I said it before and I'll say it again: I think Blair comes out and just goes full beast mode for us at LT next season.
 
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I think it's pretty unfair to ask any freshman OL to come in and compete with SEC dlines. Coleman is a strong guy, but also playing out of position. He's a center, not a RT or LT. That's askin a lot out of a guy who is 18 and fresh out of high school, especially in his conference.

We played him because there really wasn't anyone else, and in practice he looked better than the other options. He will get better and will help this team moving forward.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I don't think it was clear to the coaches that Dobbs was 2nd best. At the very least, they determined that there wasn't significant separation between him and Peterman. Given that, it was in their best interest to redshirt one of them. Peterman already had a redshirt so Dobbs was the choice.
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We had many long, looooooong arguments with a couple of posters on this board about Peterman "winning" the #2 job. What we "know" is that NP wasn't named the back up until after Worley was named #1. At that point, the back up was for emergencies and mop up only. You didn't necessarily have to have your best QB.

When they DID need their next best QB to start the last several games, Peterman's tenure as starter lasted one week and a few plays vs Bama. It was pretty obvious that Dobbs was their #2 guy at that point. According to Jancek, he had been playing very well as the scout team QB as well. It is no stretch to believe that the ONLY reason he wasn't #2 is that he had a RS to take while NP didn't.

Until it starts costing you games. Which is the whole point with Blair. No coach will cost his team games just to save a year of a player's eligibility. They can get more players. There might not be a tomorrow if they lose games.
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Which games though? Let's say the investment works and UT gets a very good OT for the next two years. I doubt RSing Blair cost UT a game. Even if it did... could the investment win them 2 or 3 or 5 more over then next two years?

That's the call Jones had to make and IMO he made the right one.
 
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Oh.... and Worley DID beat the other two QB's out. No one could have anticipated Gilliam's injury nor how poor the pass pro would be. With a middling OL, UT probably wins 7 or 8 games with a healthy Worley who leads the East in passing.

The guy was never the chump so many of you want to believe.
 
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hillsborovol said:
Maybe you should state your facts accurately before you focus your keen observations on my grevious shortcomings. You suggest that I was attempting to disguise the actual rankings. But I clearly posted that Jones was the #9 rated OT and Boulware was the #10 OG in my post. In the future to avoid offending the overly sensitive, I will add that they are top 10 OL "at their respective positions." I thought it was the obvious intent because it is mathematically impossible otherwise. In no way was it an attempt to deceive as you implied.

And I didn't change it to "top 25 OL" because that a false statement using your definition.
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Look man, there was a single comment about your original post that simply stated it wasn't technically correct. An admission you've made yourself. Every other post was in response to another guy asking why it wasn't technically correct. No one is butthurt over anything. You were the one getting upset. If you want to get upset over someone correcting you in a very civil manner, then go ahead, but I hope you have better ways to spend your day.

I don't think you were trying to deceive, but stating it the way you did is just incorrect. Not really much else to say about it.
 
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