D'Andre Payne

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sjt18 said:
This is about as valid as the accusation that it "wastes paper" to electronically quote it.

Nope. But I know that makes you feel better. You need to make it about me and not the actual problems. "Bully for you".

Cite one place where I have said that Jones will fail much less that the program is doomed. You can't but feel the need to use hyperbole.

:eek:lol::eek:lol:

Your tendency to build strawmen is amusing.

You're right. I am a bad, bad guy who hates Jones and UT football... :crazy: ORRRRR I'm just a guy who really doesn't want to see an acute problem turn into a chronic one in such a way that Jones fails when I so badly hope he will succeed in a huge way?
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You laugh at weird things...like your own supposed humor.
 
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sjt will be fine when he realizes that he's not "letting" anything happen...he has no choice in the matter...so it's of no consequence whether he wants Butch to succeed...if he doesn't he's gone...because that's real life...people that make the actual decisions hear things on their own.
 
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smokey0625 said:
Sabans first two years were mass exodus as he recruited over kids. GA lost 10 freshmen from 2013 to 2014 and that's just freshmen. I didn't count uppers who left.
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Saban did run some guys off though he also made good with many of the players left to him by going 12-2 in his 2nd year. The "mass exodus" however wasn't among the guys that he recruited. They were guys left to him that couldn't cut it.

Here's the depth chart from that year: 2008 Commitmets - Alabama Crimson Tide Football

His team was young and a blend of Shula's leftovers, 2nd year players, and Fr.

We lost 7 freshmen, 2 were not on jones. They were out his hands due to academic fraud and one due to hitting his gf.
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There will be and must be attrition. You will lose guys to academics. You will lose guys in spite of your best efforts to off the field issues. You will definitely lose non-contributors who don't see future PT as a reward for their dedication. And Jones does demand a high level of dedication. He expects them to "live" football. His demands are definitely higher than Richt's and many other successful coaches.

But you still cannot afford to lose 5 of the 7 DE's you sign over a two year period. I'm not harping on the past here either except as a spark for some "change". I have not condemned Jones on this... only said that they have to figure out what went wrong and not allow it to continue. We as fans cannot effect change but can enjoy watching how the staff responds.... hopefully.


FWIW, you'll note that UT's two deep next fall will be pretty similar overall to the experience and talent distribution of Saban's 2nd team at Bama. Most of the talent will be 1st or 2nd year players rounded out by inherited players.
 
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butchna said:
sjt will be fine when he realizes that he's not "letting" anything happen...he has no choice in the matter...so it's of no consequence whether he wants Butch to succeed...if he doesn't he's gone...because that's real life...people that make the actual decisions hear things on their own.
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I don't claim to have a "choice" regarding what Jones does... Unfortunately for you apparently, I do have some choice as to whether you ignore failures and setbacks. In spite of yourself... you seem to obsess on my posts pointing them out.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Did I say anything about minimal DE's? No I ask you to list the 5 players outside of Hendrix Helm and Scott that are leaving and why you think it matters. I have seen several times how you avoid anyone that makes sense or just try to twist their posts to fit your agenda.
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Jaylen Miller, Malik Brown, Hendrix and Henderson are all DE's. Having a minimal number of upperclassmen DE's on the roster is not an ideal scenario, given injury potential. Those are all guys that have left; 3 of the 5 I guess you wanted me to comment on. Thought it was self explanatory, sorry you wanted me to literally spell it out and I didnt initially.

Don't think I've shied away from any rebuttal thrown my way. I just don't have the desire to spell out everything, especially not when folks are so good at inferring 90% of the time. I assumed they could infer without my having to write a novel, at an elementary reading level.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You and Butchna are only feeding the 13 year old machine. He's like jameis winston stealing crab legs. He's stupid. Move on. Ignore and move on.
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Because I don't share the same opinion as you? I do look young for my age but have never been mistaken for a 13 year old. Hopefully it'll serve me well when I reach your wise age of...?
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't claim to have a "choice" regarding what Jones does... Unfortunately for you apparently, I do have some choice as to whether you ignore failures and setbacks. In spite of yourself... you seem to obsess on my posts pointing them out.
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I let a lot of what you say go...I don't necessarily disagree with everything you posit...sometimes when you get a little pious and sanctimonious, I like to put a KICK ME sign on your back. :)
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
The DT Mixon? If Kerbyson doesn't have the skills to play a position he wasn't recruited for then why does Mixon?
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Because the dearly departed Miller played both? And Mixon is better? And really?...Kerbyson? Not even trying anymore?
 
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sjt18 said:
Mixon helps if he moves outside. There could also be a LB that can play DE.

The early attrition is still a problem that needs to be resolved. Just my guess... but I would imagine that Jones is taking a very close look at their recruiting profile for DL's especially DE's.
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Not sure why CBJ would be worried about his DE recruiting profiles. Miller was a stop gap recruit just to add a body to the 2013 class, Vickers wasn't really even recruited until Gillespie went to his high school (3 months after signing day) to visit Derrell Scott and decided to offer him a scholarship in hopes of helping secure Scott. Vickers was class of 2013 but didn't sign until May of that year. CBJ would not offer these two players now that he has two classes under his belt. Jason Carr was never going to be a Defensive end in college and just couldn't accept it. Guess he does now since he weighs 305 in junior college. Hendrix is a take all day every day regardless of your recruiting profile.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
With more true FR? You know the same ones we had this year who couldn't hack it or didn't "contribute".
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LaTroy Lewis was playing very well late in the year and was the starter against Vanderbilt over Corey Vereen. That gives us 4 very good DE's. We lost a total of what 3 total tackles between Hendrix, Miller and Vickers? Yeah it sucks losing Hendrix but only for his potential. Next years DE class will have just as much potential. It's not the end of the world.
 
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butchna said:
We're going to have the SAME TRUE FRESHMEN?...two years in a row? :huh:
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I meant the same level of experience as what we had this year. But I forgot your contextual reading skills rival that of a remedial 1st grader.

I also keep forgetting that the HS Sr's who haven't played yet are better than the FR who were here. Silly me, we already came to that conclusion.
 
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GLDunlap said:
LaTroy Lewis was playing very well late in the year and was the starter against Vanderbilt over Corey Vereen. That gives us 4 very good DE's. We lost a total of what 3 total tackles between Hendrix, Miller and Vickers? Yeah it sucks losing Hendrix but only for his potential. Next years DE class will have just as much potential. It's not the end of the world.
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Bring'em in Butch!
 
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GLDunlap said:
Seriously? Very telling post
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What's so telling? I was blasted by sanddune for criticizing Kerbyson's play, being told he wasn't recruited to play OT. Why's it a foregone conclusion that someone who was predominantly recruited to play DT, evidenced by where he's playing, will be more than serviceable at DE?
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
I meant the same level of experience as what we had this year. But I forgot your contextual reading skills rival that of a remedial 1st grader.

I also keep forgetting that the HS Sr's who haven't played yet are better than the FR who were here. Silly me, we already came to that conclusion.
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If player A plays 10 snaps and player B plays 40 snaps the next year, how much more experience does player A have?...remember to show your work. :geek:
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
What's so telling? I was blasted by sanddune for criticizing Kerbyson's play, being told he wasn't recruited to play OT. Why's it a foregone conclusion that someone who was predominantly recruited to play DT, evidenced by where he's playing, will be more than serviceable at DE?
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By that reasoning no OFFENSIVE LINEMAN is ever flexible...because ONE didn't fare that well? They're all identical, you know. :idea: And of course the same rule applies to defensive linemen...gotcha! :thumbsup:
 
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