Obama admin has done a good job managing the economic crisis of Bush

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McDad said:
One of the dumbest things I've ever read.
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Vol8188 said:
Bush 2009 budget-3.518 trillion

Obama 2010-3.456 trillion
Obama 2011-3.603 trillion
Obama 2012-3.538 trillion
Obama 2013-3.45 trillion
Obama 2014-3.5 trillion

If you look at obamas budgets compared to Bushs final budget, you will see that spending has been below that level in 3 of 5 years. You will also see that discretionary spending is down.
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I'm interested to see if you admit you're wrong here.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So the debt you guys keep complaining about....that's not obama either?
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No, you're right. We're wrong. All of the debt is the fault of republicans and the reduced spending is a credit to Obama alone.










Just going to treat you like a woman from now on. You sure debate like one.
 
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McDad said:
Credit to WTOB:
"Then he'll ask you which part was dumb."
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It's a fair question. If I state a fact, and you then tell me it's moronic...shouldn't you be capable of defending that stance?

Unless of course it is actually your stance that is moronic.
 
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hog88 said:
No, you're right. We're wrong. All of the debt is the fault of republicans and the reduced spending is a credit to Obama alone.


Just going to treat you like a woman from now on. You sure debate like one.
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How many times on here have you and every other republican spoke of obama and the deficit....

Is he or is he not the person to blame? Make up your mind. You're the one getting upset and acting like your menstrating.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's a fair question. If I state a fact, and you then tell me it's moronic...shouldn't you be capable of defending that stance?

Unless of course it is actually your stance that is moronic.
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Maybe tomorrow you can give me some data verifying why the AMC Gremlin was only slightly less ratchet than the Ford Pinto.
 
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Vol8188 said:
How many times on here have you and every other republican spoke of obama and the deficit....

Is he or is he not the person to blame? Make up your mind. You're the one getting upset and acting like your menstrating.
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Many. And why? If not for the Rs taking over the house in 2011 the deficit and debt would be far higher than it is today. Remember his speeches predicting doom and gloom if sequester was enacted and the blame for that was on the Rs?

I just want to talk facts and, all pertinent facts. Not cherry pick tidbits that support an emotional argument.
 
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hog88 said:
Many. And why? If not for the Rs taking over the house in 2011 the deficit and debt would be far higher than it is today. Remember his speeches predicting doom and gloom if sequester was enacted and the blame for that was on the Rs?

I just want to talk facts and, all pertinent facts. Not cherry pick tidbits that support an emotional argument.
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Strange, his spending hasn't changed since then
 
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Vol8188 said:
Strange, his spending hasn't changed since then
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Really? You might want to check that. It's actually gone down since 2012 when the Budget Control Act kicked in.

Should have dropped even more with the end of combat in Iraq and drawdown in Afghanistan but Obamacare took care of those savings.
 
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hog88 said:
Really? You might want to check that. It's actually gone down since 2012 when the Budget Control Act kicked in.

Should have dropped even more with the end of combat in Iraq and drawdown in Afghanistan but Obamacare took care of those savings.
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Vol8188 said:
Bush 2009 budget-3.518 trillion

Obama 2010-3.456 trillion
Obama 2011-3.603 trillion
Obama 2012-3.538 trillion
Obama 2013-3.45 trillion
Obama 2014-3.5 trillion

If you look at obamas budgets compared to Bushs final budget, you will see that spending has been below that level in 3 of 5 years. You will also see that discretionary spending is down.
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Only slightly, and it was already trending in that direction
 
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Biopsyman said:
Why is cutting taxes a bad thing and the dems say we can afford it? THEY never have the same cry on a new social program...
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Cutting taxes can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing. The timing of the tax cuts is key. I think the W tax cuts were bad due to the timing. The cuts were needed to help stimulate the economy, at the same time one cannot cut revenue and increase spending at the same time. That is what the W tax cuts did. If we had not increased entitlements, went to war, started a new cabinet department the tax cuts would have been beneficial, instead they added a lot of debt to the USA.
 
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Gramps said:
Cutting taxes can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing. The timing of the tax cuts is key. I think the W tax cuts were bad due to the timing. The cuts were needed to help stimulate the economy, at the same time one cannot cut revenue and increase spending at the same time. That is what the W tax cuts did. If we had not increased entitlements, went to war, started a new cabinet department the tax cuts would have been beneficial, instead they added a lot of debt to the USA.
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Spoken like a lib. Tax cuts only help. Letting people keep their money is always good. Increased spending caused the deficit.
 
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Obama did grant work permits to 5 million illegal folks. That's a good, as long as you aren't one of the 27 million currently unemployed.
 
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