Obama admin has done a good job managing the economic crisis of Bush

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#VFL__ said:
Yep, can we agree that our country is no longer a democracy/republic? Instead it's an oligarchy/political ruling class controlled state?
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Not all the way but close. There is still time.

At least I hope we can reverse it through the ballot box and not at the end of a rifle. One of the two will happen.
 
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govols/cc said:
What's your solution? Force companies to pay more or keep them from moving to China? Maybe disband the stock market. Maybe set max prices on goods. Maybe force companies to use realistic metrics.
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I think the models prior to the 70s/80's worked wonderfully. Value your employees, do not sell your soul for money, and make products inside of america.

I guess that would include CEO pay tied to the avrg worker, lower taxes, a total reform of our healthcare system, and removing career politicans to keep it all from happening again.
 
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hog88 said:
Not all the way but close. There is still time.

At least I hope we can reverse it through the ballot box and not at the end of a rifle. One of the two will happen.
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When oil and gas industries are exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, we can accept that we are no longer a democracy or a republic.

I think the internet will reverse it. Crooks are finding it harder and harder to hide their dealings from us.
 
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#VFL__ said:
I think the models prior to the 70s/80's worked wonderfully. Value your employees, do not sell your soul for money, and make products inside of america.

I guess that would include CEO pay tied to the avrg worker, lower taxes, a total reform of our healthcare system, and removing career politicans to keep it all from happening again.
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It's all about the mighty dollar and both the government and companies have failed miserably. Greed, unrealistic expectations, buearocracy out the ass.
 
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govols/cc said:
It's all about the mighty dollar and both the government and companies have failed miserably. Greed, unrealistic expectations, buearocracy out the ass.
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So why is it automatically liberals that get the blame? When in fact, it is money.
 
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Gramps said:
How were we suppose to pay for all these added expenses while cutting revenue ?
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Good point. I hope you do not take your deductions when you pay your taxes in 2015. Also, the IRS allows you to donate more than your tax due. You know, since you're so concerned about it and all.
 
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hog88 said:
Uh, I must have missed where I credited W for job creation?

I just pointed out that you were wrong (as usual) in the statement that government is a business.
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You may not like it but in reality government is the largest business in the USA. It should not be but it is.

This chart goes through 2012. in 2012 we had 4.312 million federal employees. That is a big darn business.

Total Government Employment Since 1962


Here are the top 10 ten non fed employers in 2012. No one comes close. Walmart is #1 with 2.2 million

The 10 Largest Employers in America - Wal-Mart Stores (NYSE:WMT) - 24/7 Wall St.
 
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Gramps said:
You may not like it but in reality government is the largest business in the USA. It should not be but it is.

This chart goes through 2012. in 2012 we had 4.312 million federal employees. That is a big darn business.

Total Government Employment Since 1962


Here are the top 10 ten non fed employers in 2012. No one comes close. Walmart is #1 with 2.2 million

The 10 Largest Employers in America - Wal-Mart Stores (NYSE:WMT) - 24/7 Wall St.
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My church has employees. Is it a business?

Government is a very large EMPLOYER. That doesn't make it a business.
 
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Gramps said:
You may not like it but in reality government is the largest business in the USA. It should not be but it is.

This chart goes through 2012. in 2012 we had 4.312 million federal employees. That is a big darn business.

Total Government Employment Since 1962


Here are the top 10 ten non fed employers in 2012. No one comes close. Walmart is #1 with 2.2 million

The 10 Largest Employers in America - Wal-Mart Stores (NYSE:WMT) - 24/7 Wall St.
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Which makes it all the more humorous when liberal politicians throw out terms like evil "Big Business" etc.
 
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#VFL__ said:
When oil and gas industries are exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, we can accept that we are no longer a democracy or a republic.

I think the internet will reverse it. Crooks are finding it harder and harder to hide their dealings from us.
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Exempt?
 
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Gramps said:
You may not like it but in reality government is the largest business in the USA. It should not be but it is.

This chart goes through 2012. in 2012 we had 4.312 million federal employees. That is a big darn business.

Total Government Employment Since 1962


Here are the top 10 ten non fed employers in 2012. No one comes close. Walmart is #1 with 2.2 million

The 10 Largest Employers in America - Wal-Mart Stores (NYSE:WMT) - 24/7 Wall St.
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Do you even know the definition or the word business?
 
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hog88 said:
Exempt?
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"Fracking is exempt from key federal environmental regulations.
The federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 contained a provision that has come to be known as the "Halliburton Loophole," an exemption for gas drilling and extraction from requirements in the underground injection control (UIC) program of the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA). Other exemptions are also present in the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act."

Yes, exempt. Free from obligation or liability imposed on others.
 
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#VFL__ said:
"Fracking is exempt from key federal environmental regulations.
The federal Energy Policy Act of 2005 contained a provision that has come to be known as the "Halliburton Loophole," an exemption for gas drilling and extraction from requirements in the underground injection control (UIC) program of the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA). Other exemptions are also present in the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act."

Yes, exempt. Free from obligation or liability imposed on others.
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Not exempt just has some exemptions. Much like the railroads have numerous environmental exemptions, many of Obamas biggest donors have Obamacare exemptions and we as private citizens are almost completely exempt from Fed Haz Waste regulations.
 
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hog88 said:
Not exempt just has some exemptions. Much like the railroads have numerous environmental exemptions, many of Obamas biggest donors have Obamacare exemptions and we as private citizens are almost completely exempt from Fed Haz Waste regulations.
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Obama is a politican....there are no good guys once you go through the wringer. I'm not defending him or any other politican. I'm pointing out the fact that you all continually blame the wrong person.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Obama is a politican....there are no good guys once you go through the wringer. I'm not defending him or any other politican. I'm pointing out the fact that you all continually blame the wrong person.
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No, I blame idiot voters. That is where the buck stops.
 
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theFallGuy said:
What is your solution? Increased taxation leads to job growth? You can't be serious.
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No I am not saying increased taxation leads to job growth, they don't.

The timing of tax cuts is key.

Have we ever went to war before in our history and cut taxes ?

War cost a tremendous amount of money.

Not only did we go to war we increased domestic spending.

We did all of this on borrowed money. Those bills come due at some point and time and someone expects to be paid.

It does not take a brain surgeon to realize that is bad policy.
 
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Gramps said:
No I am not saying increased taxation leads to job growth, they don't.

The timing of tax cuts is key.

Have we ever went to war before in our history and cut taxes ?

War cost a tremendous amount of money.

Not only did we go to war we increased domestic spending.

We did all of this on borrowed money. Those bills come due at some point and time and someone expects to be paid.

It does not take a brain surgeon to realize that is bad policy.
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We did actually go to war and cut taxes under Bush....it wasn't very successful.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Which makes it all the more humorous when liberal politicians throw out terms like evil "Big Business" etc.
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The liberal politicians talks about evil Big Business but look at the Wall Street and big business money they take.
 
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hog88 said:
Idiots vote liberal, dumbasses vote single issue conservative.
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I'm man enough to admit that at one time I thought conservatives who were only concerned with guns and the bible were idiots. I've now realized that they are just as valuable to our country as anyone else. It's money that has ruined our country. You can continue to blame liberals until you die. It really doesn't matter, you represet our politics now days and that's pretty f'in sad. A bunch a midly intelligent people blaming other Americans for problems that none of us had a hand in. Cool dude.
 
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