Even More Obamacare Follies

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508mikey said:
Gramps - care to answer ?
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Gramps is wrong person to ask

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Carl Pickens said:
Ain't that the truth? He is only 26 though. I've got a $6800 ded and my family coverage is still damn near $1000/ month.
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While I agree that I have no room to talk having such a small premium, it's really the principle of the federal govt mandating that I must have this. What happened to the liberal cry of stay off my body Washington? I guess it's stay off my body unless your agenda matches mine.
 
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Gramps said:
I don't see how you relate this to Obamacare or Obama.

Collection Agencies have been hounding people for years. As far as I am concerned they are the scum of the earth. They cuss, lie, threathen to do things they cannot do.

I read the article you posted. The actions listed by the collection agencies is standard procedure by many of them.
Many of the older seniors are easy to scare. The collection companies are aware of that and try to exploit it. The actions listed are not only done to seniors but to anyyone that can be manipulated. They work on a percent of collections. They don't collect they make no money. This leads to bad practices by many of the collection agencies.

If you have ever been admitted to a hospital you would be aware the billing procedures are odd to say the least. Some medical providers automatically turns their billing over to a collection agency instead of billing in-house. Each provider does separate billing. If you go to an ER then admitted to hospital. The billing for the ER, Hospital and services are billed separately or they are at our local hospital. It is not unusual to receive a new "bill for services" 6-12 months after the hospital stay or service.

Credit cards are another story. If people are struggling to survive, they should not be using their cards or use them wisely.
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Its medical bills that are the biggest BS - they can charge whatever they want -- Its the healthcare industry that needs fixed, if Barrys BS mandatory ins. law is going to continue. I also agree with your view on credit cards and collection agencys being scum ---- also didnt want to start a thread so I put it in here
 
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CNCVol88 said:
While I agree that I have no room to talk having such a small premium, it's really the principle of the federal govt mandating that I must have this. What happened to the liberal cry of stay off my body Washington? I guess it's stay off my body unless your agenda matches mine.
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I agree with you. Obamacare is a huge pos. The only ones benefitting are those with preexisting conditions
 
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Vol8188 said:
He doesn't have to get insurance.

But he will pay a fine if he decides not to. Which is fair! Because tax payer dollars are probably going to be used to pay his hospital bill if he is uninsured. So it makes sense to make him pay a fine.
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So if there is a chance an event might happen, we should just tax him anyway? Are we going to start taxing people who might get a job, for earnings they might receive?

#liberallogic
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
So if there is a chance an event might happen, we should just tax him anyway? Are we going to start taxing people who might get a job, for earnings they might receive?

#liberallogic
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You pay taxes to fire and police departments you may never use also. what makes this so different?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I pay taxes because I'm a homeowner or I earn money. I shouldn't be taxed just because I'm simply breathing
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You pay taxes to support the establishments I mentioned. This isn't a breathing tax. It's a medical tax. If you decline insurance and have a major accident, were not going to simply watch you die. Therefor you pay up a very small amount upfront.

It's all designed to prevent the uninsured from making a large burden on us all, and I fully support that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He doesn't have to get insurance.

But he will pay a fine if he decides not to. Which is fair! Because tax payer dollars are probably going to be used to pay his hospital bill if he is uninsured. So it makes sense to make him pay a fine.
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he will get sent to a collection agency and they will garnish his wages if he has a job - taxpayers only pay for welfare moochers
 
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Vol8188 said:
You pay taxes to support the establishments I mentioned. This isn't a breathing tax. It's a medical tax. If you decline insurance and have a major accident, were not going to simply watch you die. Therefor you pay up a very small amount upfront.

It's all designed to prevent the uninsured from making a large burden on us all, and I fully support that.
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To prevent ? Why the hell do you think we've ALL gotten bent over and fisted?
 
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508mikey said:
Its medical bills that are the biggest BS - they can charge whatever they want -- Its the healthcare industry that needs fixed, if Barrys BS mandatory ins. law is going to continue. I also agree with your view on credit cards and collection agencys being scum ---- also didnt want to start a thread so I put it in here
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The ACA has many, many problems, Obamcare has not caused the problems in the article you posted, those problems have been around for many years.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You pay taxes to support the establishments I mentioned. This isn't a breathing tax. It's a medical tax. If you decline insurance and have a major accident, were not going to simply watch you die. Therefor you pay up a very small amount upfront.

It's all designed to prevent the uninsured from making a large burden on us all, and I fully support that.
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and if I'm going to the hospital chances are that it'll be a reason my catastrophic coverage would handle.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I agree with you. Obamacare is a huge pos. The only ones benefitting are those with preexisting conditions
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The couple that earn say 40k per year but work where insurance is not provided. Also benefits from the ACA. The subsidizes can help them afford insurance .

Now the negative. They are benefitting at the expense of others.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I pay taxes because I'm a homeowner or I earn money. I shouldn't be taxed just because I'm simply breathing
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Everyone that lives in the USA pays taxes of some type. We all pay, some more than others.
Can you name one person or group that pays no taxes in some form ?

Many receive more back in benefits than they pay in but we all do pay taxes.
 
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508mikey said:
he will get sent to a collection agency and they will garnish his wages if he has a job - taxpayers only pay for welfare moochers
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Only if said person is a deadbeat that refuses to pay. The courts have been very lenient with those with medical bills if they are attempting to pay and pay monthly even if it is a small payment.

The mistake some make is letting a collection agency scare them into signing an agreement that they will pay xx per month when x is all they can afford.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
To prevent ? Why the hell do you think we've ALL gotten bent over and fisted?
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We have been bent over and fisted for years. We have been eating the medical bills of the uninsured for years. We have been forced to pay after the fact. The ACA forces us to pay before the the fact. If it worked correctly, which it does not, it could lower the total outlay to cover these expenses. The idea of the ACA could work, the version we have now will and cannot unless all 50 states expand Medicaid.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you saying you're required to get both?
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No, I'm saying on principle if that's all I feel I should need regardless of Age, that's all I should need. If I end up needing more, I should carry the consequences of it. Personal Responsibility for my actions.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
No, I'm saying on principle if that's all I feel I should need regardless of Age, that's all I should need. If I end up needing more, I should carry the consequences of it. Personal Responsibility for my actions.
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If you're not required to get both, then who is saying you need more?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You pay taxes to fire and police departments you may never use also. what makes this so different?
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A lot of people, going into 2015, have the number $95.00 on the brain. They expect that smallish number to be their penalty for not having insurance. In fact, the tax can be a lot higher but is capped at the "national average" bronze level plan. There are going to be a lot of confused and angry people this spring when taxes are filed.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
No, I'm saying on principle if that's all I feel I should need regardless of Age, that's all I should need. If I end up needing more, I should carry the consequences of it. Personal Responsibility for my actions.
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Bro you are a 26 year old single male. You HAVE to have pregnancy coverage. #bluefont
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
A lot of people, going into 2015, have the number $95.00 on the brain. They expect that smallish number to be their penalty for not having insurance. In fact, the tax can be a lot higher but is capped at the "national average" bronze level plan. There are going to be a lot of confused and angry people this spring when taxes are filed.
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True and that tax or fine will be much higher when they pay their 2015 taxes if they are not covered.
 
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