Even More Obamacare Follies

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Vol8188 said:
My mistake. I meant to put that it should not be a business. You shouldn't make a profit for treating cancer, just like you shouldn't profit from investigating a homocide or putting out a fire.
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How do you accomplish that? When the .gov gets involved in these things, the bureaucracy inevitably eats most of the money in administrative fees, retirements for bureaucrats and other things involved with shoving around tons of paper for the pile of regulations that they will themselves install. Private sector medicine is probably way more efficient and would be even more so if there were tort reform first of all, and secondly if the .gov would get out of the way of innovation. I agree that the insurance companies needed a kind of reform, but the wholesale slaughter that we are now seeing is ridiculous.
 
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lawgator1 said:
We already have single payor for Medicare and that is working well.
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I wonder how much better it would work if the .gov weren't skimming a hefty portion of the money paid into it.

Oh... and I gave you an inadvertent like. Missed the quote button. :(
 
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lawgator1 said:
And it would not experience the financial issues with SS and Medicare because we'd be funding it every year, not on the basis of contributions of the workforce for retirees.
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And this would be different again, how? The same incompetent boobs that make all the laws you now currently enjoy arguing for a living would miraculously become competent enough to fund THIS program adequately? Seriously?
 
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Vol8188 said:
And?
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Since it is a tax, the implication to the lower middle class is pure genius. Since most people get a tax refund, they will be having that "fine (tax)" taken out of their refund. Since they never had it, they will never miss it. If it were a fine, they would probably never pay it.

The end around is to fix your W9 so that you pay a little under what you need to pay. Then blow off insurance and the .gov has no way to get that money from you since you aren't getting anything back.
 
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I betcha we are a runaway train with no breaks going down the mountain on our way to single payer.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yup. All his idea.

And Romney ' s. And most developed countries in the world.
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And now that the socialists have been reinstalled in France, and re instituted the soak the rich tax model, the fastest growing city in the country is Brussels. Developed countries.... lulz.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Since it is a tax, the implication to the lower middle class is pure genius. Since most people get a tax refund, they will be having that "fine (tax)" taken out of their refund. Since they never had it, they will never miss it. If it were a fine, they would probably never pay it.

The end around is to fix your W9 so that you pay a little under what you need to pay. Then blow off insurance and the .gov has no way to get that money from you since you aren't getting anything back.
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There is a way they may feel it which will be problematic. When someone goes to the exchange, they can elect to have their so-called premium tax credit paid to the insurance company throughout the year instead of reconciled at year-end when filing a tax return (the money is never sent to the taxpayer only to the insurer). There will be differences between the prepaid credits and the correct number because of changes in circumstances (births, marriages, divorces, jobs) and because people will learn how to game the system to get the maximum credit even though they don't qualify. The excess advanced credits have to be repaid by the taxpayer when filing a return. The IRS has the power to fine and lien on these advance payments. There will be a lot of angry folks when they find out.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
There is a way they may feel it which will be problematic. When someone goes to the exchange, they can elect to have their so-called premium tax credit paid to the insurance company throughout the year instead of reconciled at year-end when filing a tax return (the money is never sent to the taxpayer only to the insurer). There will be differences between the prepaid credits and the correct number because of changes in circumstances (births, marriages, divorces, jobs) and because people will learn how to game the system to get the maximum credit even though they don't qualify. The excess advanced credits have to be repaid by the taxpayer when filing a return. The IRS has the power to fine and lien on these advance payments. There will be a lot of angry folks when they find out.
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And I hope it chaps more asses than 100 years of diaper rash
 
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508mikey said:
Debt Collectors Hound Millions of Retired Americans - NBC News Obamacare victims or victims of Barrys crappy economy ? Gramps - care to answer ?
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I don't see how you relate this to Obamacare or Obama.

Collection Agencies have been hounding people for years. As far as I am concerned they are the scum of the earth. They cuss, lie, threathen to do things they cannot do.

I read the article you posted. The actions listed by the collection agencies is standard procedure by many of them.
Many of the older seniors are easy to scare. The collection companies are aware of that and try to exploit it. The actions listed are not only done to seniors but to anyyone that can be manipulated. They work on a percent of collections. They don't collect they make no money. This leads to bad practices by many of the collection agencies.

If you have ever been admitted to a hospital you would be aware the billing procedures are odd to say the least. Some medical providers automatically turns their billing over to a collection agency instead of billing in-house. Each provider does separate billing. If you go to an ER then admitted to hospital. The billing for the ER, Hospital and services are billed separately or they are at our local hospital. It is not unusual to receive a new "bill for services" 6-12 months after the hospital stay or service.

Credit cards are another story. If people are struggling to survive, they should not be using their cards or use them wisely.
 
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