Spread offense not all that.......

#76
#76
tim said:
I think TN should worry more about defending the spread instead of running the spread.
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Evidently the spread will soon be figured out and schools will stop running it. It's a fad, sort of like DVD players.
 
#77
#77
kptvol said:
Evidently the spread will soon be figured out and schools will stop running it. It's a fad, sort of like DVD players.
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Kinda like the West Coast offenses. I agree with this assessment. I just hope it comes sooner rather than later. I'd like to see UM run out of Gainesville..
 
#78
#78
kptvol said:
Evidently the spread will soon be figured out and schools will stop running it. It's a fad, sort of like DVD players.
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It won't go away, but it also won't be the sexy new high scoring big play upset special offense that it is right now.
 
#79
#79
Tennessee should play to their strengths.

Crompton, Stephens, & Coleman are balanced QBs.


Tennessee's goal is to beat Florida next year and win the SEC.
Well Georgia, LSU and Aubie did it with good old fashioned run, run, and wham play action.

The spread is good to throw in there when the defense is cheating to much to one side and you can throw them off balance.

The offensive line should be one of the best in the country. I am going on the presumption that they will be even better next year. I say run the dive with Hardesty every time until they stop it.
 
#81
#81
How many times did Tebow smoke his opponents on 3rd and 3 or so.. I am supremely confident that the spread requires a great quarterback to be successful. I need only point to WV and Oregon to show that without their superstar qb's they lose. So I am excited to see what Michigan is going to do next year with their personnel. They will be ready to run Rodriguez out of town.
 
#82
#82
PowerT83 said:
Tennessee should play to their strengths.

Crompton, Stephens, & Coleman are balanced QBs.


Tennessee's goal is to beat Florida :dance2: next year and win the SEC.
Well Georgia, LSU and Aubie did it with good old fashioned run, run, and wham play action.

The spread is good to throw in there when the defense is cheating to much to one side and you can throw them off balance. :clapping:

The offensive line should be one of the best in the country. :salute: I am going on the presumption that they will be even better next year. I say run the dive with Hardesty every time until they stop it.
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Super major DITTOS !!!!!!
 
#87
#87
tim said:
How many times did Tebow smoke his opponents on 3rd and 3 or so.. I am supremely confident that the spread requires a great quarterback to be successful. I need only point to WV and Oregon to show that without their superstar qb's they lose. So I am excited to see what Michigan is going to do next year with their personnel. They will be ready to run Rodriguez out of town.
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I got a feeling that RR will not be successful running his WV offense at Michigan. He will have to adjust it to be successful. Pat Whites dont come around very often.

Tim Tebow is a FULL BACK that plays QB...LOL
 
#89
#89
tim said:
One NC with the spread. Used 2 qbs. Lets see..... Leak was not , repeat was not, a spread qb. Best teams in the NCAA with the spread. All three teams qb's are super stars and all three are hurt. None of them are playing for the NC. The spread requires a superstar qb who will, in all probability, be injured before the season is over. Thus, the team will suffer. So the spread is great but it will not get you through the season without injuries. Let Rodriguez run the spread in Michigan.. they may win the big 10 in a couple of years, but again they will most likely be playing their bowl game with a back up qb, kinda like Oregon.
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best counterpoint to the spread that i've seen.

WR's run the correct routes, O line make their blocks, RB's hang onto the ball, and QB throw to the correct team, and we can win with the single wing.
 
#90
#90
Mason said:
I got a feeling that RR will not be successful running his WV offense at Michigan. He will have to adjust it to be successful. Pat Whites dont come around very often.

Tim Tebow is a FULL BACK that plays QB...LOL
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Nobody wanted Pat White as a QB. That's why Rodriguez was able to lure him to West Virginia. At Michigan he'll be able to recruit big time QBs. He'll be just fine in a few years. If he can get the kind of speed in Michigan that he's had at WV, he'll torch everyone in the Big 10 not named Ohio State.
 
#91
#91
kptvol said:
Nobody wanted Pat White as a QB. That's why Rodriguez was able to lure him to West Virginia. At Michigan he'll be able to recruit big time QBs. He'll be just fine in a few years. If he can get the kind of speed in Michigan that he's had at WV, he'll torch everyone in the Big 10 not named Ohio State.[/QUOTE]


As crazy as it sounds, I believe that if Ron Zook gets a couple more really good recruiting classes and 1 more signature win like he had against the Buckeyes, the Illini might be giving the Big 2 a run for their money for the next few years at least.
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#92
#92
JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
kptvol said:
Nobody wanted Pat White as a QB. That's why Rodriguez was able to lure him to West Virginia. At Michigan he'll be able to recruit big time QBs. He'll be just fine in a few years. If he can get the kind of speed in Michigan that he's had at WV, he'll torch everyone in the Big 10 not named Ohio State.[/QUOTE]


As crazy as it sounds, I believe that if Ron Zook gets a couple more really good recruiting classes and 1 more signature win like he had against the Buckeyes, the Illini might be giving the Big 2 a run for their money for the next few years at least.
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Maybe. They need Mendenhall to hang around and stay healthy. The defense could improve some, too. They're getting better, but they did lose to Iowa, after all. Unfortunately for them, I think the smackdown USC is about to lay on them may hurt their rise.
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#93
#93
kptvol said:
Nobody wanted Pat White as a QB. That's why Rodriguez was able to lure him to West Virginia. At Michigan he'll be able to recruit big time QBs. He'll be just fine in a few years. If he can get the kind of speed in Michigan that he's had at WV, he'll torch everyone in the Big 10 not named Ohio State.
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If he gets the speed he had at WVU, he won't have to worry about tOSU either. See last year's game against Florida for proof of that.
 
#94
#94
volfanbill said:
If he gets the speed he had at WVU, he won't have to worry about tOSU either. See last year's game against Florida for proof of that.
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Maybe. I still think OSU was a bit better than they played that day. If they have to face that type of team every year, I think Jim Tressel will figure something out. He's not going to get embarrassed annually.
 
#95
#95
Pocket Passer said:
First of all, the spread option is what Meyer "modernized" and is now the spread offense. That's the key. It's upgraded and new and sexy and all that, and will be figured out. Auburn stopped it pretty good, so it's very stoppable. And on the 8 DB's, that coming from someone who runs the spread dude, not me. No it wasn't Holtz.


Just answer this question....If it's so great and unstoppable why don't the big boys in the NFL use it? When you have the right athletes on the other side of the field, it won't be so great then.
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Where are you getting this from? Meyer this year took the single wing and modernized it. Figuring out something doesn't mean you can stop it. I can figure out that a deer is standing in the middle of the road 100 feet away, but it doesn't mean I can avoid clocking it.

The NFL doesn't use it because their coaches are boring and unimaginative. I noticed how well Brad Smith of the Jets running a very basic double option from the shotgun worked against the Soviet Union, I mean Patriots, last week; most teams won't risk it because:
1) They think that mammoth size on the offensive line beats quickness and acceleration (lunacy), and
2) They think that throwing the GNP of Angola at a cross-country runner who can throw a football is a good idea

Every major innovation in football of the last 50 years has come from the college ranks, and normally it's something that's had to have had a period of widespread success before it's even considered. Pro coaches basically mimic each other; no one would consider a 3-4 defense until the USSR won a Super Bowl with it, and in one season 16 teams switched over (in spite of basic things like "suitable personnel").
 
#96
#96
kptvol said:
JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
Maybe. They need Mendenhall to hang around and stay healthy. The defense could improve some, too. They're getting better, but they did lose to Iowa, after all. Unfortunately for them, I think the smackdown USC is about to lay on them may hurt their rise.
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Yes, the defense is where they need to focus on in recruiting, just not quite fast enough on D.

I may be dead wrong but I don't think USC drills them, I took the Zookers and the points. I don't know what it is about this Trojan team, the talent is all there even with their injury problems but they just don't seem to be the team that puts fear in people this year, but if they get rolling look out......something tells me the Illini holds their own in this one though.

If SC rolls and wins by 30 forget you read this.
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#97
#97
If you want to see how bad a spread option offense fails at the college level look at my aggies this year.

Once you leave high school levels, you have to have a balanced game on O. The spread offense(not option), when executed properly, includes a running game.

What it really does is utilize the WHOLE filed to exploit defensive weakness. It is about timing routes and planned actions with check-offs to allow many choices.

This keeps defenses on their heals trying to guess what you plan to do. It doesn't require a Randy Moss to get the job done (case in point - Crabtree at tTech and his predecessors Wes Welker).

IT is all about execution. When done right, you can expect high scoring games with the ability to turn the tide in a few minutes. It also allows you to manage the clock unlike a predominantly run game.

Combine this attacking game with a solid defense, and you can compete with just about anyone. The only way to really counter it is with a defense with fast and agile athletes. Oklahoma has done a great job vs some great spread offenses this year. However, tech still beat them.

my 2 cents..

The pro style takes key components. The spread takes good team players and a great offensive mind. I'd love to see the Vols go to a Spread O like ttech.
 
#98
#98
JOEY'S ALL VOL !!! said:
kptvol said:
Yes, the defense is where they need to focus on in recruiting, just not quite fast enough on D.

I may be dead wrong but I don't think USC drills them, I took the Zookers and the points. I don't know what it is about this Trojan team, the talent is all there even with their injury problems but they just don't seem to be the team that puts fear in people this year, but if they get rolling look out......something tells me the Illini holds their own in this one though.

If SC rolls and wins by 30 forget you read this.
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Personally, I think thats a good bet. USC is solid defensive team, great O-line, with a solid running attack. The WR corp is good not great, not explosive. Could see them winning easily but not huge. I do believe Illini playing in the Rose Bowl will be jacked to play this game and play loose and fast.
If USC wins by 30 forget I posted this :whistling:
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#99
#99
kptvol said:
Maybe. I still think OSU was a bit better than they played that day. If they have to face that type of team every year, I think Jim Tressel will figure something out. He's not going to get embarrassed annually.
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you are most likely correct. But according to Blaker, Tressel is on the hot seat. If he loses to another SEC team, Tressel might be gone. :post-4-1090547912:

If that somehow happens, Rodriguez is in the captain's seat for several NC games in the near future.
 
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