Gun control debate (merged)

#827
#827
CagleMtnVol said:
Now the schools are suspending kids for being around guns at home! :the_finger:

Mass. students holding replica guns suspended after Facebook post
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Wow. That is the most irrational fear of guns I have seen in a while. The kids do something funny on their own time and on their parents property and they get suspended from school because something out of school caused a distraction... Ugh. As the old saying goes "does not compute"

Edit: and the typical using dead children to push an agenda.
 
#828
#828
CNCVol88 said:
Wow. That is the most irrational fear of guns I have seen in a while. The kids do something funny on their own time and on their parents property and they get suspended from school because something out of school caused a distraction... Ugh. As the old saying goes "does not compute"

Edit: and the typical using dead children to push an agenda.
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IMO if schools want to discipline kids for off campus non-school related activities in the name of "safety". Are they not assuming responsibility and therefore liability?
 
#829
#829
hog88 said:
IMO if schools want to discipline kids for off campus non-school related activities in the name of "safety". Are they not assuming responsibility and therefore liability?
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This is just another example of the government trying to assert it's power in an ever more invasive manner. It doesn't matter if it's a gun issue or not this "idea" that government influence extends beyond the school has to get trampled. If people shrug and accept this it's only going to get worse.
 
#830
#830
Emily Miller: How to get a gun carry permit in DC

"I believe when the Second Amendment was written, that was more or less for when the British were coming."

When the British were coming? The Bill of Rights is no longer relevant?
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VIDEO: GoodDayDC: How to get a gun carry permit in DC - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG



WASHINGTON - I am a registered gun owner, but I feel that I'm in more danger on the streets of Washington, D.C. than inside my home. So when D.C. recently passed a new law allowing for some rights to carry a gun outside the home, I decided to apply for a permit. I quickly found that it is still impossible to exercise my Second Amendment right to bear arms.

Until July, Washington, D.C. was the only place in the country did not allow for any right to carry a gun outside the home. A federal district court judge ruled in the Palmer case that the total ban was unconstitutional.

The D.C. attorney general said last week that the city will appeal the ruling. While the issue goes through the courts, the Metropolitan Police Department has started giving out applications, so I went to the firearms registration office to start the process.

Milton Agurs, a civilian police department employee was at the front desk. I told him why I was there.

“You need to meet two criteria,” Agurs explained. “First that your life is in danger, your family or your property, or you have the type of business you carry large sums of money, jewelry. Under those circumstances, you can get a carry permit in DC.”

“To prove my life is in danger?” I asked. “Obviously there is a rising crime rate and a high rate of murders and sexual assaults in D.C. -- is that enough to say I want this for self-defense?”

“You have to prove you need concealed carry as opposed to just wanting one,” he replied.

Prove a need for a constitutional right? That's what D.C.'s new law says.

The application that Agurs gave me said that living and working in a high crime city is not enough to get a carry permit. I read further down where it says that it has to be “a special danger to your life."

What's the difference between a regular danger -- like getting raped and murdered on the street --- and a special danger? You have to prove you are being targeted.

“Do I have to give evidence?” I asked.

“Yes ma'am,” said Agurs.

“I was a victim of a home invasion. And I've gotten a threat against me. Do I just give the police records?” I asked.

“Yes, ma'am,” he said.

I asked Agurs who will decide whether or not my self-defense needs are special?

That's something the chief of police will do,” he said, referring to Chief Cathy Lanier. “But you'll have your reasons why you feel like you need it.”

“The chief of police personally will decide whether or not I get a carry permit?” I asked.

“You know it usually works-- it's going to be her or someone on her staff,” he said.

Proving a “need” is just one part of the carry permit application. You have to do 16 hours of classroom training, plus two hours at the range.

“Where do I go to do that?” I asked Agurs.

“Unfortunately, I think they are still setting up the classes,” he replied.

There's the rub. The city isn't actually abiding by the court decision. No one can apply for a carry permit because the police haven't certified any trainers for the mandatory classes. That might be partly because D.C. charges trainers $400 to be certified.

In contrast, Virginia accepts any class that is certified by the NRA. And there's no minimum time requirement for training.

So I asked Agurs: "The Second Amendment right to bear arms just doesn't fully apply here?"

"I believe when the Second Amendment was written, that was more or less for when the British were coming."

When the British were coming? The Bill of Rights is no longer relevant?

Well, I spoke with Alan Gura, the lawyer for the plaintiffs in the Palmer case. He said that the city's new carry permit law is unconstitutional and does not adhere to the court ruling. Gura has filed a request for a permanent injunction, which a district court judge will hear on Nov. 20.

So I can't go any further in the application process until the police certify someone to teach the 18 hours of classes. The police gun registration office told me to keep calling to find out when that happens.
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#831
#831
NY State gun grabbers at it...yet again.

Cold, dead hands: Buffalo to seize guns from families following owners' funerals | Fox News

A plan by police in Buffalo, N.Y., to begin confiscating the firearms of legal gun owners within days of their deaths is drawing fire from Second Amendment advocates.

Buffalo Police Commissioner Daniel Derrenda said at a press conference last week that the department will be sending people to collect guns that belong to pistol permit holders who had died so "they don't end up in the wrong hands." The department will cross reference pistol permit holders with death records and the guns will be collected when possible, he said.
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#833
Well, one thing the Russians are doing right:

With Murder Rate Far Beyond US Levels, Russia Legalizes Carry of Guns for Self-Defense

With a murder rate many times higher than the US, Russian legislators approved the carry of guns for self-defense.

In other words, in the past few years fewer guns equaled more murder in Russia while more guns equaled fewer murders in the US.

Under the new law, Russians can acquire a license to carry a firearm for self-defense. The license has to be “renewed every five years” and applicants must “undergo background checks and take a safety course.”
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#838
#838
Fifth Grader Suspended For Making Gun With Fingers

Fifth Grader Suspended For Making Gun With Fingers

Another little boy has gotten in trouble at school for having something that primitively, comically represents a gun but isn’t actually anything like a real gun.

This time, the student is Nickolas Taylor, a fifth grader at Stacy Middle School in the distant Boston suburb of Milford.

The 10-year-old boy’s crime was to make the universal sign for a gun with his thumb and forefinger and point at two girls in the cafeteria lunch line last Friday, local NBC affiliate WHDH reports.

Taylor said he wasn’t pointing his make-believe gun at the girls or anyone else, but just generally pretending to “shoot” with his forefinger and thumb.

Whatever the case, after the event, Taylor blew air on the nonexistent gun, as if to cool off smoke. There wasn’t really any smoke.

Despite the fact that nothing real happened, assistant principal Noah Collins wrote the boy up, labeling his actions as “a threat.” Collins then suspended the kid for two days.

Brian Taylor, the boy’s father, disagrees with the suspension.

“I think this is very slanderous toward Nickolas and his character,” the elder Taylor told The Milford Daily News. “It was non-threatening. He’s just a typical boy with an imagination.”

The boy’s grandmother, Linda O’Brien, agreed.

“It was absolutely ridiculous,” she told WHDH. “Nickolas is a sweet little boy that was just standing in line at lunch playing with his hands.”

She described her grandson’s actions as “typical little boy behavior.”

“His dad made sure to let him know he’s not famous, he was wronged,” O’Brien added. “This shouldn’t have happened.”

The boy’s father noted that Nickolas has been diagnosed with ADHD, and that he bring a lot of energy — sometimes too much energy — to the school environment. However, the father said his son has a clean disciplinary record. To the extent the boy has gotten in trouble, it has been for failing to complete his schoolwork.

“He’s confused as to why he got suspended,” the dad told the local newspaper. “He doesn’t realize he did something wrong.”

Collins, the assistant principal, as well as principal Nancy Angelini and the local school district superintendent refused to speak with the Daily News.

Despite the father’s pleas, Collins has refused to lift the suspension.

This incident is the latest incident of anti-gun hysteria to erupt in a school setting. There have been many others in recent months.

An interesting, parallel incident occurred on a few weeks ago on Halloween when University of Nebraska–Lincoln political science professor John Gruhl put on a Dick Cheney mask and a bright orange hunting vest and use an imaginary rifle to shoot students all the way across his classroom. (VIDEO: Professor Dons Dick Cheney Mask, PRETENDS TO SHOOT STUDENTS IN CLASS)

Gruhl, a grown man, does not appear to have suffered at all for his imaginary slaughter. The professor has thus fared considerably better than several kids in taxpayer-funded public schools who have found themselves in very serious trouble for exactly the same thing.
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