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jave36 said:
The UF part I mean
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I know.

It is agent driven. I do think JF is slimy enough (Kiffin-like) to bounce after one season.

This doc is mad because he knows that JF is allowing this to be known to administration.

I told him that's how coaches get paid.
 
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volatil said:
I know.

It is agent driven. I do think JF is slimy enough (Kiffin-like) to bounce after one season.

This doc is mad because he knows that JF is allowing this to be known to administration.

I told him that's how coaches get paid.
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I dislike Jimmy Frank more than Kiffin to be honest. Main reason is we had to put up with his cr@p longer. Running his mouth and on and on.
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
Husband and I just got a new king size bed that cost a fortune, no way will a lighter even touch that mattress. I guess some ol cheap throw pillows will do.
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So did we. We went the memory foam route and despised it. This time we went with the Sleep number bed and love it. Never liked those waterbeds.
 
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I hope Butch stays til the shelves are fully restocked. 5 yrs minimum. Then Peyton retires and comes to UT with Gruden and the dynasty begins. IMO. I dare one of you to call Finebaum and swear this is gona happen.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So did we. We went the memory foam route and despised it. This time we went with the Sleep number bed and love it. Never liked those waterbeds.
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We had the same bed for 14 years almost and it was the same bed I had when I was single. Went the Kingsdown route and love it. Good investment!
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Here's the thing about the Michigan job that scares me: if they want Butch (one would assume he's around 5th on their list) and they strike out with others, you know they'll offer him a ton of money.

And as you know, our cheap athletic department isn't going to match. If they wanted to spend money on a football coach we wouldn't have Butch Jones here in the first place.

Butch may love it here, I don't doubt that at all. But if he has a chance to go home, to a program that is historically just as good (if not better) than UT, and get a significant pay raise in the process, this one's over.
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Butch told people a year before the Tennessee job came open that Tennessee was his dream job. I know several people that were born and raised in Michigan and consider it to be their "home" that live in east Tennessee now that would never go back there. Some of them turned down jobs to leave Tennessee and move back to the Midwest (including Michigan) and said they weren't going anywhere because this is where they want to be.
I believe that Hart will work to keep Butch here and do whatever it takes to make it happen.
 
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Don't mean to sound negative, but you guys are overvaluing CBJ right now. I want him to stay, but he has a losing record here. Can't be appealing to the michigan boosters
 
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volatil said:
Y'all are forgetting that the SECN pays each school more money per yr than Texas or ND.

Money is no longer an excuse
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I have to somewhat disagree. Money will be an issue at TN until they climb out of the financial hole they've been in to a competitive level (specifically the financial reserves) with other elite programs...this will take time and a few years of the SECN money.
 
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govols09 said:
Don't mean to sound negative, but you guys are overvaluing CBJ right now. I want him to stay, but he has a losing record here. Can't be appealing to the michigan boosters
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He has done his job so far. The fans are energized, the stadium is packed, he is recruiting like a banshee. The win loss record is as expected. He is right on track.
 
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amazingGRACE said:
Franklin at Florida would suck for the rest of the SEC.
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A few years ago, I ran some numbers trying to get at "returning experience" rather than using the "returning starters" metric. So, I looked at returning "letters" versus starters. So, if a player played enough snaps to earn a letter all four years, they got a 4. If they only played one year, they got a 1.

What stuck out the most was Vandy having a ton of returning letterman during those James Franklin years because the previous coach red-shirted a TON of players. Also, because it's Vandy, most of those players stayed all four years.

While I think he's a good coach, he benefitted from having an older, more experienced roster than most SEC teams. When that wave of experience graduated, he bolted for Penn State.

So, I'm still on the fence as to whether he's really "all that," or if he's just adept at self-promotion and picking the right jobs at the right time.
 
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govols09 said:
Don't mean to sound negative, but you guys are overvaluing CBJ right now. I want him to stay, but he has a losing record here. Can't be appealing to the michigan boosters
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In 20 games he's faced 10 top 10 teams.

Let that sink in for a minute. A rebuild with that schedule is insane
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
I dislike Jimmy Frank more than Kiffin to be honest. Main reason is we had to put up with his cr@p longer. Running his mouth and on and on.
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I'd have ditched USC for UT after one season, so I don't hate Kiffin too much. He couldn't have left in a worse way, but the leaving itself wasn't so horrible given that USC was his dream job. If he hadn't been slimy in how we went about it, I'd be neutral toward him.
 
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govols09 said:
Don't mean to sound negative, but you guys are overvaluing CBJ right now. I want him to stay, but he has a losing record here. Can't be appealing to the michigan boosters
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It is very myopic to just look at CBJ's record and base everything off of that.
 
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pierce60 said:
I have to somewhat disagree. Money will be an issue at TN until they climb out of the financial hole they've been in to a competitive level (specifically the financial reserves) with other elite programs...this will take time and a few years of the SECN money.
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SEC Network to funnel more money into SEC football, fuel higher coaching salaries - Saturday Down South
15-20 million per year to each school.

And this article is old. I've read somewhere that it is much higher than that.

I'm still looking.
 
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RiotVol said:
A few years ago, I ran some numbers trying to get at "returning experience" rather than using the "returning starters" metric. So, I looked at returning "letters" versus starters. So, if a player played enough snaps to earn a letter all four years, they got a 4. If they only played one year, they got a 1.

What stuck out the most was Vandy having a ton of returning letterman during those James Franklin years because the previous coach red-shirted a TON of players. Also, because it's Vandy, most of those players stayed all four years.

While I think he's a good coach, he benefitted from having an older, more experienced roster than most SEC teams. When that wave of experience graduated, he bolted for Penn State.

So, I'm still on the fence as to whether he's really "all that," or if he's just adept at self-promotion and picking the right jobs at the right time.
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Been saying this for years. Agree completely. We'd have seen how good he actually was this year. For being an elite recruiter, their cupboard sure is bare.
 
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jave36 said:
I'd have ditched USC for UT after one season, so I don't hate Kiffin too much. He couldn't have left in a worse way, but the leaving itself wasn't so horrible given that USC was his dream job. If he hadn't been slimy in how we went about it, I'd be neutral toward him.
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Him leaving was better for us in the long run because had he stayed for several years, no telling how bad things could've gotten. The trail of violations would've been so long.
 
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I found one article that puts the figure at $48 million per school!

A YEAR

(I don't buy that for a minute because the site is associated with Georgia. They do everything in dog years so divide by 7)
 
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