Butch post-game presser had me shaking my head for the first time...

[Orange_Crush]

This thread has gotten hilarious! Some obviously only ready half of what I said and criticized me for the wrong reasons, some misinterpreted what I said completely and went in the other direction, some criticized me because it wasn't in proper thesis and punctuation form and that is all they got out of it, and now most are getting into a pissing match on whether Peterman either broke his thumb or his hand.... Ahhh, Volnation is the best... its like crack or a train wreck--- you don't want to look and try and pass it by but you just can't help yourself and take a taste or a peak and the next thing you know you are at full stare drooling out of the side of your mouth!
Cliff notes--- I simply tried to state that I was surpised at how Butch did not give Dobbs really any praise after the game and seemed to only point out his flaws, all along saying he added a new dimension to the offense which we needed. He said basically it was practice as usual Monday and nothing had changed and I questioned whether it was coach speak or not... I think he should start and gives us the best option to finish the season strong enough to bowl and I think the coaches see this and the players do too. I love Worley, but at this point in the season he is unfortunately not the answer with our current O line situation. Dobbs isn't perfect and will make mistakes but is definitely the lesser of two evils because he moves the chains and scores points....

Help me out here? At which point did he start 'just listing Dobbs' mistakes?'?

They asked about Dobbs. He answered favorably and said Dobbs opens up a new dynamic to the offense. Then he started talking about the mistakes other players made, and pointed out that we (as a team) still have a lot to clean up.

I'm sure he also listed some of the things Dobbs needs to work on too, but he was highly complimentary to Dobbs.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Of course they do....But we do have the ability to observe the product THEY, from their extensive and more complete knowledge of the team--put forth on the field....

And it's OBVIOUS that team #118 is better served and has a MUCH BETTER opportunity to WIN games when Dobbs is on the field! :salute:

If you can't see that--nothing left to say....

He had two really good series, but he had four bad series. He had a fumble, an interception, thereunto double coverage a number of times and overthrew many times after the first two series. No one wins many games with only playing well 1/3 of the time.

I hope he plays well the rest of the season and we win out, including a bowl game. If that happens, happy days are here this year and probably better days will be here next year. It is worth the try. At least we score some TDs. Only time will tell and I am willing to praise the success when it comes. If Dobbs becomes more consistent, we have a winner. If he does not, we are in the same old boat, bobbing in the water waiting for a new captain.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yeah...with Dobbs we scored 20 points against BAMA--that's more points on the board in 3 QTRS than we put up with Worley in 2 SEC games (Fla and Miss) combined!

It's ain't rocket science, is it?

Is it really still a competition to see who's our BEST QB that gives us the best chance to win with this young and inexperienced OL???? Mindboggling.....

Do you think Butch would actually sit down at his Saturday night post-game conference and say: "Yah. Yah. Josh will be starting against SC next week. Steve, you know where to concentrate your game prep now. To make it even easier, I'll send you the script for his first series by Tuesday." ???

Did you happen to catch the part where Butch let something slip, then caught himself, and tried to cover it up?

"...but he (Dobbs) still has a lot to work on going into next week... I mean... If he gets the chance, that is..."

What do you think Butch's strategy for the conference was, as far as information distribution?

 

[Pappy]

I work with the English department at UT. If you need help formatting future posts, I can do that for you.

I'd be willing to bet that you work FOR the English department at UT....unless of course you are hired as a consultant.

 

[TNDeb3]

i am amazed at how many people that support our program are naive enough to think we do not have the foundation to be successful in the future (competing for Championships). Take a moment and consider teams like Nebraska, Miami and Texas who have had to compensate for the impact of some of the same challenges we are currently experiencing.

I was a scholarship athlete a UT (not football) and I also lived in Alabama for a couple of years, so I despise them.

To my point, however, some posters get on this board and spout opinions like they are the incarnation of Vince Lombardi except it is all after the fact, armchair quarterbacking.

Am I ever satisfied to lose, no, but it has taken us years to deteriorate to this point. Thankfully, very few of the guys on the team ever read this board. Unfortunately, the recruits do and the tone our fans sometimes exhibit on here demonstrate how fickle we can be with our players and our coaches.

What irritates me the most are the people who are down on Butch on this board and often times on 18 and 19 year old kids, but I would say the vast majority of these naysayers haven't dripped an ounce of sweat or blood for our school. The conference continues to get tougher every year, not whining just stating a fact.

In case anyone wishes to torch me for my comments, I have put my money where my mouth is. I contribute the value of my scholarship back to UT every year.

I gave and continue to give my all for Tennessee.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

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He is Za English Gestopo...comply with his spelling and paragraph formatting directives....or pay with z'your life. Z'understand?

 

[Orange_Crush]

This. Dobbs is the man and he should say so. These guys aren't babies, they are college athletes. The best man plays. They have all been given equal opportunities to show what they have. If the guy isn't good enough to start, then so be it. He gets a free education to stand on the sidelines. Waaaaaaaaa. Jones needs to stop sugar coating sh$t. There is absolutely no competition here. Dobbs moved the ball pretty well against a solid defense. Obviously can run the ball and made some solid throws. He just needs some game time. Needs reps to settle in. If someone had shot Cooper before the game we could have easily won that game. Dude is unguardable.

Do you think it might be of benefit to Dobbs and the rest of the team if Spurrier has to prepare for several different possibilities (skillsets/gameplans) behind center this week?

 

[Pappy]

Key Word: Reveal, just as you reveal yourself as a Dobbs hating CLOWN!!

Dobbs hates Clowns?:dance2:

 

[VolDango]

Butch knows who the future of the program is. Its Dobbs. The guy balled out last night and that was his first start. Just think what he could have been doing if he had been playing earlier this year. If I was coach, I'd stick with Dobbs even if Worely is healthy. Worley is a great QB when he has a experienced OL. But that just isn't the case. We need a mobile QB.

I don't know that I'd call Worley a great QB under any circumstances. He's servicable. He's good at hitting open curl routes, slants and out patterns. He couldn't hit a go route or corner route WR in stride if it saved his life. He'd be challenged to throw a ball 50 yards against air.

That said, Dobbs is also not a great QB. But he's better than Worley in THIS style of offense. And that is where I think the coaches messed this up. You can't run a zone read/gap read offense with a guy like Worley; especially with a poor o-line.

 

[Pride85]

Agreed, I've been the first to defend these coaches, but if they start Worley (assuming he heals quickly) I will not defend Butch. It's obvious to everyone that Dobbs is by far our best chance for winning. Pisses me off that Butch just wanted to point out his mistakes. Well Coach, it's better than being sacked 7 times because your qb is a statue.
One other thing, was it Butch that kept saying Worley wasn't supposed to run on certain plays, yet we see Dobbs do it and we're getting first downs! You can't play not to lose. We need a gamer who plays to win, and that man's name is Dobbs.
I love our recruiting, but I'm starting to have my doubts about this coaching staff just making common sense observations and decisions.

He has made the same type of comments about every player he has been asked about, no matter the person or outcome of the game. He is a perfectionist and will use any error as a teaching point to make the player better.

He really wanted to redshirt Dobbs this year for the same reason that everyone is so upset about Worley's RS being burned. One more year as a Senior. I really wanted Peterman to be able to perform, so that they could redshirt Dobbs and give us that one more year. Peterman could not get it done, Dobbs came in and showed why they wanted that one more year for him. As I have seen on the site already; "you can't always get what you want"

 

[LvilleVol]

I just watched the post-game presser and I have to say I am not sure what was going on with Butch..... For me, I just saw the first "chink" in his armor....Maybe its just me, but it was almost like he didn't want to give Dobbs any praise above or beyond regular "coach speak".... I know he has two other QBs to worry about and Worley is a battle-tested senior, but it was almost like he didn't want to hurt their feelings by giving Dobbs any praise.... he even went into detail on the negatives in Dobbs performance... Wonder if it was the simple fact that he and everyone else could see what a "gamer" Dobbs is for this offense and what a big mistake he and his staff have made up until this point by not playing him.... The funny part was when he kept saying "Josh adds another element to our offense".... REALLY, you don't say, no Sh@$!? It is exactly what this offense has been lacking and probably the reason we are 3-5 instead of 4-4 or 5-3.... He then says "it will be another week of competitive practice to see who is ready!" Really? We are going to just go into practice this week and act like this didn't happen Saturday night? I sure hope to hell that was more coach speak so that USCe does not necessarily count on or fully prepare for Dobbs....
Hope CBJ was just in a little bit of shock (like most of us were) at what he just saw and was just trying to find the right words to be politically correct during the presser....
Let me be clear before I get bashed---
Worley has done an incredible job this year for us and is tough as nails, and Dobbs made plenty of mistakes last night and has plenty of room for improvement... but it is clear that some are great in practice(Peterman) and suck during the game, and others are "gamers" who are descent in practice, but are extremely competitive and can turn in on and ball under the lights.... Who knows, Dobbs might have been going through the motions at practice if he was told he was red-shirting and was thinking about Aero-space labs and not what he could do to start.....
Either way, this staff has an obligation to the players and the university to grind out the rest of this season and put the best players on the field to finish as strong as possible. These kids have worked too hard to go back to what was NOT working....

ok, where do i start here.

Butch Jones strikes me as a very even keeled coach. He is not overly happy or overly frustrated. Dobbs had a good game on Saturday night, but like you said, he made a bunch of mistakes as well. Yes, he does give us a running dimension we have not had, but he is not as efficient throwing the football as Worley.

The reason he did not come out and name Dobbs the starter is the same reason he did not say anything about Worley before the game and actually had Worley suited up. It keeps the other team guessing. But, make no mistake about this, Alabama was fully prepared for Peterman and Dobbs. South Carolina and everybody else will be prepared as well. You simply do not want to make it easy for your opponent.

Finally, there was a reason that Dobbs did not start from the beginning. The coaches have watched him a whole lot more than we have. I will add, if Dobbs was just going through the motions, he would not have played Saturday night. He has made dramatic improvement over the last couple of months. But, we started Peterman hoping that we could preserve the redshirt for Dobbs. When we went down 20 quickly, Dobbs had to come in.

 

[BearBryant]

I just watched the post-game presser and I have to say I am not sure what was going on with Butch..... For me, I just saw the first "chink" in his armor....Maybe its just me, but it was almost like he didn't want to give Dobbs any praise above or beyond regular "coach speak".... I know he has two other QBs to worry about and Worley is a battle-tested senior, but it was almost like he didn't want to hurt their feelings by giving Dobbs any praise.... he even went into detail on the negatives in Dobbs performance... Wonder if it was the simple fact that he and everyone else could see what a "gamer" Dobbs is for this offense and what a big mistake he and his staff have made up until this point by not playing him.... The funny part was when he kept saying "Josh adds another element to our offense".... REALLY, you don't say, no Sh@$!? It is exactly what this offense has been lacking and probably the reason we are 3-5 instead of 4-4 or 5-3.... He then says "it will be another week of competitive practice to see who is ready!" Really? We are going to just go into practice this week and act like this didn't happen Saturday night? I sure hope to hell that was more coach speak so that USCe does not necessarily count on or fully prepare for Dobbs....
Hope CBJ was just in a little bit of shock (like most of us were) at what he just saw and was just trying to find the right words to be politically correct during the presser....
Let me be clear before I get bashed---
Worley has done an incredible job this year for us and is tough as nails, and Dobbs made plenty of mistakes last night and has plenty of room for improvement... but it is clear that some are great in practice(Peterman) and suck during the game, and others are "gamers" who are descent in practice, but are extremely competitive and can turn in on and ball under the lights.... Who knows, Dobbs might have been going through the motions at practice if he was told he was red-shirting and was thinking about Aero-space labs and not what he could do to start.....
Either way, this staff has an obligation to the players and the university to grind out the rest of this season and put the best players on the field to finish as strong as possible. These kids have worked too hard to go back to what was NOT working....

One problem Dobbs has and believe me it is a MAJOR problem. He is not accurate with his passes. That inaccuracy will lose many games.

Worley is the better QB at this time. Yes Dobbs adds the running dimension. But his accuracy problems would negate that advantage in most games.

Reading between the lines -- I believe that the only reason Dobbs redshirt was pulled is because Worley's season may be over. And Coach Jones knows he has to have two QB's ready for the remaining games.

Jones is trying to win now, he is not playing for next year. He wants to go 7-5. And whatever it takes to get there is what he is doing.

If you are such a great evaluator and coach, why aren't you coaching?

 

[darbhoo]

LvilleVol,

You make good sense. I agree. Can't wait til after the South Carolina game to see if we are correct as well. Go Vols.

 

[feathersax]

I work with the English department at UT. If you need help formatting future posts, I can do that for you.

ZING!:hi:

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

great move on CBJ's part. SC will wast a lot of time preparing for ole Nate Peterman.

:lolabove:

Immensely underrated post IMO.

 

[Dudleys87]

Cue the I'm worried about Butch leaving threads. .

 

[Dudleys87]

The only issue I have with Dobbs is deep ball accuracy.
No question he can sling it just needs to work on

 

[MikeVol44]

Wolf dropped 2 out of 3 ball thrown to him.

You DON'T have to throw it to the TE on the bootleg.....usually have 3 receivers in the pattern....

the play action pass to 48 (Ellis) has had 2 passes thrown to him....one in Bama game went for 20+ and was open all night.....and they ran it once...Come on, Man.....

 

[MikeVol44]

Do you think Butch would actually sit down at his Saturday night post-game conference and say: "Yah. Yah. Josh will be starting against SC next week. Steve, you know where to concentrate your game prep now. To make it even easier, I'll send you the script for his first series by Tuesday." ???

Did you happen to catch the part where Butch let something slip, then caught himself, and tried to cover it up?

"...but he (Dobbs) still has a lot to work on going into next week... I mean... If he gets the chance, that is..."

What do you think Butch's strategy for the conference was, as far as information distribution?

I don't think he had a strategy...and my post was not directed at Butch's comments...it was meant for exactly what it is.....IF ANYONE DOUBTS that Dobbs is our best QB and gives us the best chance to win out....then the level of stupid is at peak..:salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

One problem Dobbs has and believe me it is a MAJOR problem. He is not accurate with his passes. That inaccuracy will lose many games.

Worley is the better QB at this time. Yes Dobbs adds the running dimension. But his accuracy problems would negate that advantage in most games.

Reading between the lines -- I believe that the only reason Dobbs redshirt was pulled is because Worley's season may be over. And Coach Jones knows he has to have two QB's ready for the remaining games.

Jones is trying to win now, he is not playing for next year. He wants to go 7-5. And whatever it takes to get there is what he is doing.

If you are such a great evaluator and coach, why aren't you coaching?

Really???? are you serious here....you are talking about deep ball accuracy when Dobbs marched us down the field for 20 points against ALABAMA!!!!!

Worley threw 3 picks against Ole Sis...and failed to put more than 12 points on the board in 8 QTRS of SEC football.....

Like I said before, it ain't rocket science....Dobbs is THE QB to ride...

 

[KBVol]

Just Friday everyone thought Dobbs was a bust... This site kills me

Not everyone.

 

[TheManFromTenn]

I work with the English department at UT. If you need help formatting future posts, I can do that for you.

Lame...

 

[MikeVol44]

He had two really good series, but he had four bad series. He had a fumble, an interception, thereunto double coverage a number of times and overthrew many times after the first two series. No one wins many games with only playing well 1/3 of the time.

I hope he plays well the rest of the season and we win out, including a bowl game. If that happens, happy days are here this year and probably better days will be here next year. It is worth the try. At least we score some TDs. Only time will tell and I am willing to praise the success when it comes. If Dobbs becomes more consistent, we have a winner. If he does not, we are in the same old boat, bobbing in the water waiting for a new captain.

The play called on his INT was a totally idiotic play call....and consistent with our out-matched OC....throw a straight go pattern without the hint of play action when we're down by 17 points in the 4th QTR and Bama's safeties are playing 20 yards off the ball----STOOPID...

And, yes, Dobbs did throw the ball and it was a poor throw....but WHY CALL THE STUPID PLAY????? Do you remember that play we ran with play action and then threw the ball to 48--why not run it again in that situation?? ANYTHING but a straight GO pattern into Double coverage....just idiotic by Bajakian....

Here's what you FAILED to mention...the fumble was a PERFECT hit by the Bama guy...anyone would have fumbled that ball...Dobbs has to get down...

Now for the good part....did you not see how he stood in the pocket and delivered darts to our receivers??? That pass completion to Pig in the 4th QTR while the pocket was collapsing around him was better than any throw Worley's made all year...

Dobbs takes pressure off of our young OL with his athleticism and ability to escape the pressure and extend plays--which creates more opportunities to move the chains and extend drives....Worley can't even make that pass to Pearson for the TD because he's sacked on that play since he has no ability to escape the rush and make a play...

And most importantly--Dobbs led this offense to 20 points in 3 QTRS of play--just how many possessions did it take AGAINST BAMA for Dobbs to do that???????

How many points has Worley led us to in the last 8 QTRs of SEC games???? 12...

Now, this was Dobbs FIRST game, too!!! With the majority of reps with the 1st-teamers to improve his timing with his receivers--Dobbs will get much better....

Come on, man! :salute:

 

[pimo1]

I recognized early on that Worley was the starter. I'm not sure the coaches really understood how bad the OL was going to be at the time. IMHO, they committed to RS Dobbs and intended to go through with it until Worley got hurt AND Peterman proved ineffective with his first two drives.

Worley or any other guy who is more of a pocket QB CAN work in this O... but you have to have a good OL for them. Dobbs makes up for a lot of the OL's weaknesses. He forces D's to be more lane disciplined in their pass rushes which in turn gives the OL a better opportunity to succeed. His ability to run prevents the D from just taking off after Hurd.... and it creates angles for the OL's to block better.

Again, I think under different circumstances Worley could have been a very good QB for UT. I'm honestly not sure Peterman has the head for it. But for this team at this time and IMO going forward... Dobbs looks like the best guy.

For those of you who called that before. Hats off to you. You were right. I was wrong.

Agreed from what I have seen the only reason Dobbs looks so good is the oline is so bad...with a half decent line it is a no brainer to start Worley. Redshirting Dobbs would have been genius outside of a few injuries and kids not ready. At this point in their careers with a decent oline it is clear that Worley is the better QB Dobbs did not impress in any way throwing the ball.. i do not know what game some of you we watching. He is better than he was last year and he shows the tools to be good but the best thing that could have happened was Worley finish the year we win our 6 get a bowl and Dobbs start next year with 3 to go.

Reading these forums is like watching fox news.... everyweek a new witch hunt, endless finger pointing with no real basis in fact and of course blatant racism disquised as a compliment. I saw someone mention how well spoken and eloquent Dobbs was.. as if it was a surprise from an aeronautical engineering major.. but oh, I forgot, he has a slight natural tan those guys do not know how to act. smh you dissapoint me Volnation. seriously go back and searc hforums that statement has never been made about a white player on these boards but it made a lot about the black players. Like he is "one of the good ones" makes me sick
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Pull you heads out of your rears. If Dobbs had started behind this line he is even more likely to have been hurt than Worley because he would have gotten hit MORE. and we have no idea if we win those game. I ghonestly do not think the results would have been much better but could have been much worse. The line is just that bad. No one wants to hear it but 2 things are facts.
1 the smart move is to protect your future QB in a no win situation when you have a better/equal option.

2. Worley is not injured everyone would still be on his nuts about how tough and great he is. and he is a lot better than people are now giving him credit. I cannot think of many QB's that could have done a better job in his situation.

And unless no one else noticed the new line seemed to have played better not because of a qb change but because they played better. Thy were still bad just not terrible.

 

[OrngeChkrboardVFL]

Agreed from what I have seen the only reason Dobbs looks so good is the oline is so bad...with a half decent line it is a no brainer to start Worley. Redshirting Dobbs would have been genius outside of a few injuries and kids not ready. At this point in their careers with a decent oline it is clear that Worley is the better QB Dobbs did not impress in any way throwing the ball.. i do not know what game some of you we watching. He is better than he was last year and he shows the tools to be good but the best thing that could have happened was Worley finish the year we win our 6 get a bowl and Dobbs start next year with 3 to go.

Reading these forums is like watching fox news.... everyweek a new witch hunt, endless finger pointing with no real basis in fact and of course blatant racism disquised as a compliment. I saw someone mention how well spoken and eloquent Dobbs was.. as if it was a surprise from an aeronautical engineering major.. but oh, I forgot, he has a slight natural tan those guys do not know how to act. smh you dissapoint me Volnation. seriously go back and searc hforums that statement has never been made about a white player on these boards but it made a lot about the black players. Like he is "one of the good ones" makes me sick
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Pull you heads out of your rears. If Dobbs had started behind this line he is even more likely to have been hurt than Worley because he would have gotten hit MORE. and we have no idea if we win those game. I ghonestly do not think the results would have been much better but could have been much worse. The line is just that bad. No one wants to hear it but 2 things are facts.
1 the smart move is to protect your future QB in a no win situation when you have a better/equal option.

2. Worley is not injured everyone would still be on his nuts about how tough and great he is. and he is a lot better than people are now giving him credit. I cannot think of many QB's that could have done a better job in his situation.

And unless no one else noticed the new line seemed to have played better not because of a qb change but because they played better. Thy were still bad just not terrible.

Agree and disagree. I was with you on starting Worley with a decent line and if your offensive scheme is to have a pocket passer gun the ball to several high level WR's, then Worley showed throughout practices that he was the man for the job. I think this was what Butch Jones and Bajakian thought the season would be. However, that is NOT what happened. After the first 4 games offensive changes absolutely have to be made. You either change your scheme and stick to Worley throwing quick slants, corner routes, quick fade routes and a lot of screen plays or change your QB to be more mobile.

This falls on the OC and Butch to make the adjustments. If the decision is to RS Dobbs for the future and play Worley Bird or Peterman, you have to adjust your play calls. AND, the OLine did not play better, Dobbs has a much faster reaction time to when the line collapsed.

Do I think you go forward with Dobbs the rest of the season? Yes, you have already lost the RS and he is the future of the program. If you align your offense this year with a mobile QB and recruit mobile QB's then it will be smoother. Will I go for Worley if they start him next week, h*ll yes? But I hope for the team's sake, they will make the right play calls to help him be a passing QB.