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@Vol_Football: SUTTON: We're a formation-based defense. I lined up with [Cooper] a couple of times. Bama does a good job of moving him around.



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JAllen18 said:
Hearing on the radio online saying that Dobbs only looked good because Bama wasn't prepared for him. And it's possible that Dobbs will revert to how he looked against Missou and Vandy last year.
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Saban saw him last year as did the rest of the SEC. Everyone and their brother knew we were starting either Peterman or Dobbs and many knew we'd see both. Saban isn't stupid and Dobbs is hardly the only mobile QB they've faced. They were prepared.
 
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@jcshurburtt: On Josh Dobbs being the present and future for the #Vols http://t.co/34RHZGBSYx

Oct 26, 12:49 PM
Tennessee head coach Butch Jones and his staff played it smart with the Vols quarterback situation heading into this year- senior Justin Worley had the best command of the offense, is capable of making quick throws (to counterbalance having an inexperienced offensive line) and downfield strikes to talented receivers, the running game would be better to support him- so he’s the starting quarterback.
And it would allow the Vols to redshirt the quarterback of the future- Joshua Dobbs, who was pressed into action as a true freshman last season.
Well, as fate would have it, things didn’t work out. Worley was injured and Dobbs was pressed into action Saturday night against Alabama and showed that he not only is the quarterback of the future at Tennessee, but he may be the quarterback of the present if the Vols are going to get things going and make a run at a bowl game.
When you have trouble protecting the quarterback as the Vols do, you need one of two things- a guy like Worley who has such command of the system that he can make a quick read and get the ball out (we saw that in the Georgia game) or a guy like Dobbs who can make things happen with his legs when pressured- a Russell Wilson-type with enough mobility to move around and an accurate arm.
Well, in Saturday night’s 34-20 loss to Alabama, Dobbs proved to be the latter recipe for success. He completed 19-of-32 passes for 192 yards, two touchdowns (one interception) and also had a team-high 75 rushing yards on 19 carries. Tennessee was down 27-0 at one point in the game and rallied to make a contest of it against the third-ranked Crimson Tide. It was the closest margin of victory for Alabama in the rivalry contest since 2009, when now-Bama offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin nearly led the Vols to a shocking win in Tuscaloosa (it was a 12-10 loss).
And Dobbs was the catalyst for that and could be the catalyst for a big finish.
The gauntlet is over for Tennessee (3-5, 0-4 SEC) in terms of the schedule. Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss and Alabama with a breather against Chattanooga sandwiched in there- that’s been the list of opponents for the Vols since Sept. 13.
Now Tennessee closes with a trip to South Carolina, which is 4-4 and lost to Tennessee last season in Knoxville, Kentucky and Missouri at home and at Vanderbilt.
Those games are all less daunting than what the Vols have previously faced. Their chances of being successful in most, if not all of them, and the final record of the 2014 season reflecting the real progress that Jones and staff have made just got greater now that the quarterback of the future (Dobbs) has shown he’s also this team’s best chance in the present.
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jordan4vols said:
This is so laughable that people and radio personalities can't admit a guy had a good game. So they are trying to sell that Saban....the best coach in college football....couldn't adjust during halftime or during the game to a mobile qb sophomore whom he had film on from the previous year and probably game planned for since Butch said mid week if Justin couldn't go both he and Peterman would play.....Sure makes total sense.
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+1 Which one do they go with? Mighty Saban couldn't stop his kids from goofing off or Mighty Saban couldn't adjust to an already scouted player?
 
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I know a Bama fan who claims the same thing--that the only reason we scored is because Bama let up and because they weren't prepared for Dobbs.

All that does is tell me two things....one, that Bama doesn't play complete games, and two, that Saban isn't doing his job because he had to know that Dobbs was likely the starter.

There's no doubt in my mind that Saban probably gave Kiffin the green light to score 80 on us if it was possible.
 
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Tifwiw - got a text that said there was some smoke re CBJ/Mich.

Prob just bs, but once that job officially comes open I'm sure CBJ will be on their list.
 
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UTProf said:
Saban saw him last year as did the rest of the SEC. Everyone and their brother knew we were starting either Peterman or Dobbs and many knew we'd see both. Saban isn't stupid and Dobbs is hardly the only mobile QB they've faced. They were prepared.
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Was it Landon Collins that said they weren't prepared for Dobbs at QB. I call BS.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Hearing on the radio online saying that Dobbs only looked good because Bama wasn't prepared for him. And it's possible that Dobbs will revert to how he looked against Missou and Vandy last year.
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So are they saying Dobbs will lose the year extra of practice experience and the 20 extra LBs as well? Is he going to have an injured throwing hand that doesn't allow him to grip the ball fully again like he did vs Vandy?

He was actually pretty good and moved the ball vs Mizzu last year. He pressed and forced some throws that led to turnovers but hard not to when you feel like you need to score each drive with how their offense was playing.
 
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Michigan is a dumpster fire. Butch is on the precipice of having Tennessee relevant again. He'd have to start all over again in Ann Arbor with even more pressure on him.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Was it Landon Collins that said they weren't prepared for Dobbs at QB. I call BS.
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Agreed. I find it very hard to believe that one of the great defensive minds in CFB (Saban) had no idea that Dobbs would see the field and then on top of that, didn't know how to adjust during the game.
 
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Aesius said:
Michigan is a dumpster fire. Butch is on the precipice of having Tennessee relevant again. He'd have to start all over again in Ann Arbor with even more pressure on him.
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Agreed. I think it was Finebaum the other day that said something along the lines of "Why would he go to that situation in Michigan when he's about to pull back to back top 5 classes at Tennessee and not even have the chance to coach them yet?"
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
If Michigan hires a coach who may be coming off back to back 7 loss seasons (or worse), their fan base will riot.
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This... The AD is trying to save his job not lose it. He is already on chopping block. As much as we all know and maybe he would know that butch is a star he can't make that hire. If they get a new AD that AD will want to make the big splash hire. Butch is a star but its all about that initial PR win.

Also Butch isn't going to do all this work and recruit elite classes only to not benefit from them and then do it all over again. He can't stand losing. He isn't going to leave to go through potentially 2-3 more losing seasons only to watch TN be winning a title
 
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eazyTD said:
Agreed. I think it was Finebaum the other day that said something along the lines of "Why would he go to that situation in Michigan when he's about to pull back to back top 5 classes at Tennessee and not even have the chance to coach them yet?"
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Yep.

Butch also mentioned in a press conference that he believes a two-loss SEC team could and should get into the playoffs.

For a guy whose life goal is to win a national championship, that should tell you everything you need to know about where he wants to be. It's exceptionally difficult to go 12-0 in any conference, but the overall weakness of Big 10 makes that record almost mandatory to get a playoff bid.

The SEC is a much tougher league, but there's actually more margin for error. You can lose a game or even two and still end up playing for the national championship. One loss in Ann Arbor and you're no longer in control of your own destiny.
 
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I don't hate Worley by any means. I just feel like the running ability Dobbs provides (both on designed runs and avoiding sacks) is a huge benefit to our struggling line. And Worley's passing ability isn't so far ahead of Dobbs' that it makes it worth it to play him, IMO.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Was it Landon Collins that said they weren't prepared for Dobbs at QB. I call BS.
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It wouldn't surprise me. Dobbs has burned him on runs two years in a row now. He beat him on a long run last year. As for fans, trying to explain things some of them expected the same thing we did going into this game: an A&M style slaughter and that nearly happened until Dobbs came in.

But here's what I heard from Bama fans when Dobbs started playing, "oh @@@@ we have to kill Dobbs." Later I straight up asked a few Bammers what they thought of Dobbs and they pretty much said he absolutely scared them.
 
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Whether you prepare for Dobbs or not, his ability and willingness to run the ball means defenses have to account for him, which will absolutely open things up for the rest of the offense.
 
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Here's the quote from Bama DB Landon Collins

"It was a different quarterback than we were expecting. We had to adjust our calls and then expected more runs."

And Dobbs still had big runs in the 2nd half.
 
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JAllen18 said:
Here's the quote from Bama DB Landon Collins

"It was a different quarterback than we were expecting. We had to adjust our calls and then expected more runs."

And Dobbs still had big runs in the 2nd half.
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Translation: Dobbs played good. They are lucky our defense came out star struck.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
This... The AD is trying to save his job not lose it. He is already on chopping block. As much as we all know and maybe he would know that butch is a star he can't make that hire. If they get a new AD that AD will want to make the big splash hire. Butch is a star but its all about that initial PR win.

Also Butch isn't going to do all this work and recruit elite classes only to not benefit from them and then do it all over again. He can't stand losing. He isn't going to leave to go through potentially 2-3 more losing seasons only to watch TN be winning a title
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Exactly. The East is wiiiide open for the next year or two and Butch has got Tennessee in a prime spot to really make a jump in 2015 & 16. He's worked his ass off for 2 years on the recruiting trail and has completely turned the public perception of Tennessee around. I find it very hard to believe that he would go to a school in a lesser conference that is way harder to recruit at when he is almost to the point of reaping the benefits of all his hard work that started in Dec. 2013.

Another thing to mention is that CBJ is a Rich Rod disciple and I really don't see Michigan going down that road again. I'm sure Rich Rod has shared his horror stories of the Michigan AD with Butch too. The biggest reason for Michigan's dumpster fire status is the AD & Booster's infatuation with getting a "Michigan man" imo.
 
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