Dobbs worked with the 1s today!

[TGVol]

but if we beat bama somehow and peterman as the QB volnation will love him, and say he had his breakout game

Of course. And if he plays and sucks those same people will come back here screaming 'I told you so'. The only difference is in that case they will be right. But so what and who cares? As long as Vols win I'm happy to be wrong all day every day.

 

[American Pig]

FACT: putting FACT in front of an unverifiable assumption does not make it a fact.

Any idiot can deny anything. Everything I stated to be factual is fully supported by the evidence. You have no evidence to the contrary. You are just upset at being corrected.

Do you disbelieve that Peterman beat Dobbs in the Summer QB competition?

Where is your evidence that Dobbs was chosen to be #3 when he really beat Peterman for the #2?

Do any of you Peterman bashers ever hold yourself accountable?

 

[omghulkhands]

Explain how Peterman became a four-star QB choking on every game day?

because you don't play in front of 100,000 fans in high school

you don't play on a national TV broadcast in HS

There aren't 275 lb freaks of nature coming at you in HS at all times

The overall level of competition is multiple times weaker

the complexity of high school offenses is significantly lower

the speed of the high school game is significantly slower

the talent scout/scouts can be incompetent

he may have physically and mentally peaked early

This list could literally go on forever, and I have no idea why it is even relevant to your point. Using your own logic, all 4 star or better quarterbacks are infalliable by using this point that you make. We know that isn't true.

 

[Pride85]

Originally Posted by sjt18
I have no personal grudge against Peterman. He simply panics when facing heavy competition.

Peterman as Worley's back up has much more to do with Dobbs taking a RS than Peterman being considered a better player.

My main concern with this assessment is there is such a small data set to make the judgement against. Of the three Qbs under discussion, Peterman has by far the least amount of gametime. I really don't care which one plays as long as they have at least some idea what is going on with the playcalls. I even put Wegzin in that mix. It simply gets old with the posters on this site taking turns with potshots against Worley or Peterman or Dobbs bassed on their personnal opinion. Pull for whichever is in the game; if one is pulled give your full support for whichever replaces them.

 

[omghulkhands]

Any idiot can deny anything. Everything I stated to be factual is fully supported by the evidence. You have no evidence to the contrary. You are just upset at being corrected.

Do you disbelieve that Peterman beat Dobbs in the Summer QB competition?

Where is your evidence that Dobbs was chosen to be #3 when he really beat Peterman for the #2?

Do any of you Peterman bashers ever hold yourself accountable?

I believe Peterman beat Dobbs in the summer QB competition. I beleive that because it happened. Peterman played before Dobbs did this year. That is what an actual fact is. It happened.

What I don't believe is that the things that you claim as fact many times are anything more than speculation. Period. You are doing what you are accusing everyone else of. These are your opinions, they are not facts. Other people are arguing you with their opinions.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

I notice you have no argument. Put some meat on those bones.

Explain how Peterman became a four-star QB choking on every game day?

Explain why you pass such harsh judgement on a four-star QB who has barely played - yet played Florida with a broken hand?

FACT:I covered about 20 pages of this thread last night.

 

[Vol_is_Lyfe18]

I believe Peterman beat Dobbs in the summer QB competition. I beleive that because it happened. Peterman played before Dobbs did this year. That is what an actual fact is. It happened.

What I don't believe is that the things that you claim as fact many times are anything more than speculation. Period. You are doing what you are accusing everyone else of. These are your opinions, they are not facts. Other people are arguing you with their opinions.

This

 

[butchna]

Here is an old news article from 'The Florida Independent' with a brief synopsis.



FACT: The pass intercepted by Brian Poole was the pass that Peterman broke his hand on a defender's helmet.
FACT: The (Poole) interception is reported as the first interception. Where are you getting the first interception before the throw breaking his hand?


Now stop dodging and deflecting. Answer my questions for once.
Why are you imposing harsh judgement of Peterman's capabilities based on his brief start against Florida where he played with a broken thumb in a horrendously difficult environment?

Why do you trash a four-star QB, dismissing him based on your superficial surface impressions gathered from less than one full game as a rookie thrown into very difficult situations?

When you enter college? Your high school rankings go out the window...cuz you're not in high school anymore? :crazy: Your repeated "four-star" junk makes you sound like a goober...this was a public service message. :hi:

 

[davethevol]

Worley and Peterman both came out of Ole Miss game dinged up. They may be forced to play Dobbs if either have issues this week.

He looked like had a concussion for a moment when he was slow to get up.

 

[JMSqb11]

I have no personal grudge against Peterman. He simply panics when facing heavy competition.

Peterman as Worley's back up has much more to do with Dobbs taking a RS than Peterman being considered a better player.

15 Spring Practices and Summer competition and numbers of reporters seem to argue with you.

 

[DD4ME]

Worley and Peterman both came out of Ole Miss game dinged up. They may be forced to play Dobbs if either have issues this week.

Yikes.

 

[American Pig]

because you don't play in front of 100,000 fans in high school

you don't play on a national TV broadcast in HS

There aren't 275 lb freaks of nature coming at you in HS at all times

The overall level of competition is multiple times weaker

the complexity of high school offenses is significantly lower

the speed of the high school game is significantly slower

the talent scout/scouts can be incompetent

he may have physically and mentally peaked early

This list could literally go on forever, and I have no idea why it is even relevant to your point. Using your own logic, all 4 star or better quarterbacks are infalliable by using this point that you make. We know that isn't true.

Now try answering my question. The excuses and deflections are endless.

Why do you judge a four-star QB so harshly with less than 3 quarters total playing time playing Floriduh with a broken finger?

Why should your superficial impressions of a few minutes play be elevated above the expert talent scouts and coaches - who saw a large body of work?

How do you know Peterman panics?
Do you really believe inexperienced players having nerves to be abnormal?

 

[JMSqb11]

Dude, would you and the Peterman lovers get over it? If he were a good gameday QB at all, I'm sure he would've passed for a first down by now. But no, he chokes every time.

He has actually passed for 2 downs this season vs UGA.

 

[DD4ME]

If Worley and Peterman cannot play against Bama even you guys rooting for Dobbs should be nervous because Dobbs is backed up by a lower level transfer and another true freshman. That won't be ideal.

 

[American Pig]

If Worley and Peterman cannot play against Bama even you guys rooting for Dobbs should be nervous because Dobbs is backed up by a lower level transfer and another true freshman. That won't be ideal.

Personally, I don't wan't to see Peterman thrown to the wolves again. I can't imagine a more nightmarish scenario for an inexperienced QB than getting hammered by two of the best defenses in college football - and then face Bama with no offensive line protection.

I feel sorry for whatever scapegoat lines up behind center this weekend. Bama's defensive front is scary violent.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Meanwhile, 550 posts later, NO ONE has posted a report of how Dobbs did when practicing with the 1's. Or if indeed he practiced at all.

Sheesh...

I asked if they wanted to know and even gave a hint how it went. Now I'm not telling them a dang thing. They can figure it out by themselves.

 

[jordan4vols]

I asked if they wanted to know and even gave a hint how it went. Now I'm not telling them a dang thing. They can figure it out by themselves.

I jumped out because of how bad the arguing was but have asked for anyone who knows anything about it. I assume they are preparing them in case Worley can't go as he might be a game time decision.

 

[Spartacavolus]

15 Spring Practices and Summer competition and numbers of reporters seem to argue with you.

And many realize there are a lot of good practice players in all sports and on all teams that don't play the same when it counts.

 

[omghulkhands]

Now try answering my question. The excuses and deflections are endless.

Why do you judge a four-star QB so harshly with less than 3 quarters total playing time playing Floriduh with a broken finger?

Why should your superficial impressions of a few minutes play be elevated above the expert talent scouts and coaches - who saw a large body of work?

How do you know Peterman panics?
Do you really believe inexperienced players having nerves to be abnormal?

That was the literal answer to one of your questions. You just talk in circles.

I didn't bring up Florida at all. Why are you talking about Florida?

Why are my impressions superficial?

I don't know if Peterman panics. and You don't either.

I expect players to have nerves. Absolutely. I also expect the good ones to overcome it.

 

[RetardedElf]

Great. Another lame deflection.

Fact: one of those halves was with a broken finger.

Fact: He hit some passes, and some major passes were dropped. Josh Smith said he felt terrible about his drops. We had more than a couple first downs. Florida was pinning their ears back to exploit the new rookie QB, resulting in sacks and negative yards. Florida had a hellacious defense at that point in the season before all the injuries.

Now why don't you explain the rationale for judging Peterman so harshly for his brief appearance as a new rookie playing with a broken thumb against a brutal defense and hostile environment?

He only had 4 completions for the half so he couldn't have hit on too many passes. You like Peterman as a player and I don't, nothing that's said will change the others stance. He looked as bad as you can in his first start, but judging him on that is not fair judging him on looking shook every time he gets on the field is. Nothing he has done since then has showed that the Florida game was just bad luck. If either of these qbs see meaningful snaps we're going to be in trouble with fans saying "I wonder what he's going to do next" but with completely different meanings

 

[American Pig]

That was the literal answer to one of your questions. You just talk in circles.

I didn't bring up Florida at all. Why are you talking about Florida?

Why are my impressions superficial?

I don't know if Peterman panics. and You don't either.

I expect players to have nerves. Absolutely. I also expect the good ones to overcome it.

Listen hulk. I must confess that I got you crossed up with another person. (a) I never even asked you those questions previously and (b) I see now what point you addressed. You are among the reasonable ones. Apologies. My bad.

 

[BeecherVol]

And many realize there are a lot of good practice players in all sports and on all teams that don't play the same when it counts.

Excellent point.

And on the flip there are some athletes that just don't practice well (enter Allen Iverson line) but when the lights come on they shine.

 

[American Pig]

He only had 4 completions for the half so he couldn't have hit on too many passes. You like Peterman as a player and I don't, nothing that's said will change the others stance. He looked as bad as you can in his first start, but judging him on that is not fair judging him on looking shook every time he gets on the field is. Nothing he has done since then has showed that the Florida game was just bad luck. If either of these qbs see meaningful snaps we're going to be in trouble with fans saying "I wonder what he's going to do next" but with completely different meanings

Love the avatar.
Yeah, obviously Peterman getting his feet wet in the Gator's swamp was a bad idea. Nobody realized until afterward that he had a broken hand during the meltdown.
I disagree that he has done nothing since to improve. He won the number 2 position from Dobbs and looked very sharp in his hundreds of throws during summer competition. Since then most fans only see him thrown to the UGA wolves where he did well before Lane refused a handoff and Bajakian began calling drop back passes against relentless blitzes and sacks.

 

[sjt18]

15 Spring Practices and Summer competition and numbers of reporters seem to argue with you.

Not really. The reporters this fall were only allowed to see a fraction of practice. They reported on what they saw. The only full practice they saw in the spring was the O&W game where Dobbs' performance along with some tough love seems to have pushed Ferguson to leave.

What the reporters saw btw was in part a kid with newly found strength trying to re-gain his passing accuracy. Seven weeks for him to work on that... is a very long time.

And again... Peterman panics under pressure. There isn't much game pressure in passing drills.

 

[sjt18]

You are simply repeating BS others have fed you.
FACT: You don't know Peterman's state of mind when he is being bull-rushed and attacked by the top-notch defenses he faced as a newbie. Even if he had some nerves, that's perfectly expected of a rookie with no experience facing ferocious defenses.

Nope. Nate is a great kid. But he panicked against UGA this year too. When things start going bad... he loses it. No hate... just a simple, direct observation of what has happened both times he's been in a competitive, real game situation.

FACT: You are simply wrong about Dobbs Red-shirt mythology. Peterman won the summer QB competition by a longshot over Dobbs. Peterman won the #2 spot and frankly outperformed Worley, but Worley had the experience and game management skills that were badly needed, so Worley held onto #1.

Source? Those with apparent ties into the program at the time suggested that Worley won the position by a wide margin. Reporters who were told they could not report on the competition as it was going on suggested the same thing after the announcement (Hubbs for one).

And NONE of what you said changes the fact that in two appearances in real action... NP has panicked under pressure.

All these parrots cackling nonsense conspiracies about Dobbs being preserved for next year need to stop. Dobbs got beat. That's the only reason he is #2 and will likely get a red-shirt.

None of us made it up. It has come from people close to the program that they want to RS Dobbs. Maybe Jones told you different when he came to your house for dinner last night... but somehow I doubt it.