Drastic action needed on Ebola

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Lord the stupidity in this thread. I am sure glad none of you are helping in the fight against Ebola. Most of you have no clue what you're talking about. You expect there to be no mistakes. You think everything is supposed to go silky smooth.

The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this. There are going to be mistakes. Nobody is perfect. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better because of the utter stupidity of the African people. You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
 
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Might be a case in central Florida. They're not sure at this point and it hasn't hit the news yet
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lord the stupidity in this thread. I am sure glad none of you are helping in the fight against Ebola. Most of you have no clue what you're talking about. You expect there to be no mistakes. You think everything is supposed to go silky smooth.

The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this. There are going to be mistakes. Nobody is perfect. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better because of the utter stupidity of the African people. You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
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Disagree. The CDC, like all centralized oversight (or governing bodies), cannot possibly cover everything or respond in an effecient manner. This isn't a knock on the CDC. This is simply what happens under the weight of huge departments which must navigate the quagmire of their own bureaucracy. Unfortunately, the public demands statements of assurance regarding safety, containment, etc. before the agency can legitimately make such claims. Then the inevitable occurs; different departments of the same agency make contradictory statements, previous statements by the agency spokesperson get retracted or augmented, statements from the department heads don't align with statements from citizens who are involved in investigations. Ironically, the CDC wants to reassure the public. But as perceived blunders come out, the more it undermines the public's trust in the organization.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
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It's funny that you say no one in this thread could have done it better, because I think pretty much anyone in this thread could have handled it better. It's the CDCs job to ensure deadly diseases are contained. They have a huge budget to ensure things like this don't happen. They have highly paid professionals that wargame these things and develop response plans. There have been some major errors by the CDC in this case. Here are a few things I would have done differently.

-The first line of defense against emerging infectious disease is travel restrictions. I would have initiated restrictions for anyone travelling from infected areas. Interestingly, there are still no travel restrictions.

-The second line of defense is a quick response to ensure it doesn't spread. Once the first case hit the US, I would have sent one of the highly trained infectious disease teams to the location to coordinate the response and ensure proper protocols were being enforced. One of those teams was just activated yesterday (about 2 weeks too late)

-Patient 0 should have had a dedicated staff to limit exposure and prevent risk to other patients. There's no telling how many patients the two nurses treated. The dedicated staff should have been provided a full HAZMAT suit, not just a surgical mask, gown, and gloves.

-Anyone providing care to patient 0 would have had travel restrictions. Instead the second nurse traveled across the country with a fever, with CDC permission!
 
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I guess we all owe an apology of sorts to the nurse. She probably shouldn't have traveled based on common sense, but evidently wasn't told of the protocols about flying by the hospital, called CDC on her own, and was told by some moron there that she was good to go because her temp wasn't over 100.4.

And now apparently the 70 or so employees in contact with Duncan have been confined to the County.
 
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The CDC doesn't just concern itself with fighting contagious diseases like Ebola. The CDC is also involved in social engineering.

The CDC has spent millions of dollars on such social engineering studies as "School Norming." An obscure Obamacare rule- Section 4003 (B) (1) - increased the "Community Preventive Services Task Force" authority to study "any policies, programs, processes or activities designed to affect or otherwise affecting health at the population level."

The Center For DISEASE Control is also involved in such matters as "Promoting positive community norms", and stable, nurturing relationships in homes and schools.

The CDC also receives funding from deep-pocketed corporations such as AT&T, COSTCO, GENERAL MOTORS, GOOGLE, IBM, and MICOSOFT. These corporations have given about $400 million to the CDC.

Some of the Bolsheviks have said the Ebola crisis is the fault of the Republicans because of CDC budget cuts.

At $7 Billion, the CDC budget has risen almost 200% since the year 2000.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lord the stupidity in this thread. I am sure glad none of you are helping in the fight against Ebola. Most of you have no clue what you're talking about. You expect there to be no mistakes. You think everything is supposed to go silky smooth.

The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this. There are going to be mistakes. Nobody is perfect. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better because of the utter stupidity of the African people. You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
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I'm at a complete loss to understand your comments and your apparent blind faith in the CDC. I'm sure nobody expects everything to be silky smooth in a situation like this, but we're not talking about minor blunders. The CDC's missteps have been enormous, in both quality and quantity, throughout this entire process. Minor mistakes would be understandable, but not potentially catastrophic ones, at every turn, from an organization whose very purpose is to respond effectively and efficiently to things like this. This is the very type of event that they're supposedly built for, and their incompetence so far is mind-boggling. As far as I can tell, they've done very little, if anything, right. Is that what we should expect from them? Not just a few mistakes, but every single thing they do a mistake? It's preposterous.

Furthermore, I'm offended at your attempt to blame the CDC's mistakes on the "utter stupidity of the African people." Now that is pathetic. Not one mistake the CDC has made is the fault of anyone in Africa.

And finally, you state that it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. In the case of ebola, this country, the world, can't really afford for things to get a lot worse. It's the CDC's job to make sure that doesn't happen. And they damn well better do it or we are all ****ed.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lord the stupidity in this thread. I am sure glad none of you are helping in the fight against Ebola. Most of you have no clue what you're talking about. You expect there to be no mistakes. You think everything is supposed to go silky smooth.

The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this. There are going to be mistakes. Nobody is perfect. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better because of the utter stupidity of the African people. You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
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You sure are carrying the water for an organization that isn't supposed to make mistakes of this magnitude!

And not to mention, you are seriously contradicting yourself here. Example;

You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat
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The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this.
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One would think with as much experience as the CDC has dealing with it in Africa, they wouldn't be making the mistakes here.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Lord the stupidity in this thread. I am sure glad none of you are helping in the fight against Ebola. Most of you have no clue what you're talking about. You expect there to be no mistakes. You think everything is supposed to go silky smooth.

The facts are we have never dealt with an outbreak of Ebola like this. There are going to be mistakes. Nobody is perfect. It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better because of the utter stupidity of the African people. You people who are bashing and making fun of the CDC are pathetic. None of you could do any better. You would crap your pants and run like scared little girls if you had to go to Africa or help deal with the Ebola threat.
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Pretty sure anybody with any common sense would err on the side of caution and tell the nurse not to fly. Good luck defending that, though. All time troll work, IMO.
 
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n_huffhines said:
F the CDC. It's unbelievable that they told her she's good to fly.
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We don't know exactly what was said, but assuming she told them she was one of that group of 80 and that she had a low fever, 99.5, then yep, that's just insane.

We also don't know who she talked to. Some receptionist who just looked on a chart? Or a medical professional?
 
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lawgator1 said:
We don't know exactly what was said, but assuming she told them she was one of that group of 80 and that she had a low fever, 99.5, then yep, that's just insane.

We also don't know who she talked to. Some receptionist who just looked on a chart? Or a medical professional?
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Why does it matter who she talked to? It's incompetence either way, if someone without expertise was in a position to give her the go-ahead.

Here's what happened next, according to NBC News:

According to the government spokesperson, when Vinson called in, the staff she talked with looked on the CDC website for guidance. At the time, the category for "uncertain risk" had guidance saying that a person could fly commercially if they did not meet the threshold of a temperature of 100.4.
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Second Nurse With Ebola Called CDC Before Flight And Reported She Had a Fever. She Wasn't Told Not to Fly. - Hit & Run : Reason.com
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Yale-New Haven hospital admitted a patient late Wednesday night for evaluation of Ebola-like symptoms who is confirmed to be one of the student researchers who traveled to West Africa recently.

Yale-New Haven Hospital evaluating student researcher with Ebola-like symptoms | FOX CT

The students originally volunteered to be quarantined for 21 days but after careful consideration, the university said it was unnecessary.

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Calling a press conference suggests strongly that the test is going to come back positive.
 
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I think part of the problem is that people are trying to stay positive so that potentially infected individuals and the public don't panic.
 
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Well, she didn't vomit on the plane, so everyone on the plane is hopefully good.
 
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Will Ebola Vanquish the MBAs Who Run Our Hospitals? | naked capitalism

Texas Health Resources’ recent CEOs have been paid millions, and hailed for their brilliance, despite a lack of any direct experience in health care, public health, or biomedical science. Leaders convinced of their own brilliance may live in bubbles that prevent penetration of any ideas or facts that may challenge that brilliance, making them thus susceptible to hubris.

So should we have been surprised that the leadership of the first US hospital system to directly confront Ebola de novo seemed more concerned with polishing their supposed brilliance than with transparently providing the information that other people who have to confront Ebola in the future so greatly need?

No, but one tiny silver lining to the time of Ebola is that it may make it glaringly obvious that we need true health care reform that focuses on reforming the leadership of big health care organizations. In particular, we need leadership that is well-informed about health care and public health; that upholds the values of health care professionals, specifically by putting patients’ and the public’s health ahead of their own remuneration; is willing to be held accountable; and is honest and unconflicted.

Allowing the current dysfunction to continue, while it will be very profitable to the insiders who run the system, will continue to enable tragic outcomes for patients and the public.
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davethevol said:
I think part of the problem is that people are trying to stay positive so that potentially infected individuals and the public don't panic.
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I agree. I also think as more individuals are diagnosed with Ebola it make the government and CDC appear as if they are clueless about how to handle this.
 
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