No conference title in 9 years ... coach gets extension

#51
#51
I see why people want him gone and it is justified but there are also some good points to the contrary.
 
#54
#54
Fine Vol said:
says ND
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and PSU and FSU. It's not a badge of honor to have the dean of SEC coaches, unless he has continued winning to maintain his status. Otherwise, as is the case at UT, Fulmer's Dean title is more an indictment of the administration.
 
#56
#56
BigPapaVol said:
and PSU and FSU. It's not a badge of honor to have the dean of SEC coaches, unless he has continued winning to maintain his status. Otherwise, as is the case at UT, Fulmer's Dean title is more an indictment of the administration.
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How about Scars results?
 
#58
#58
BigPapaVol said:
there are no guarantees and you can only really compare the results to the other option they had at the time of the hiring. Would they have been better off with the status quo?
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Yea but everyone agrees SP is a great coach so results should have been better than they are.
 
#61
#61
Point is either Scar or Bama in the future should be a blueprint for upgrading coaches so we will see.
 
#63
#63
Fine Vol said:
Point is either Scar or Bama in the future should be a blueprint for upgrading coaches so we will see.
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i would agree, but i think when most on here talk about replacing Fulmer, they are looking at the model OSU, OU, USC and the like have.

they each had stints of mediocrity, and all three hired a home run right off the bat.

ND, Bama, and even LSU and GA to some extent are models we'd like to avoid, if it came to that.
 
#66
#66
Fine Vol said:
USC gets to recruit from the state of Cali. big advantage.
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all the coaches before pete caroll had the same advantage, he's the one that cashed in. plus his national recruiting is pretty good too. two of his offensive play makers are out of state. Patrick Turner and JDBooty. i'm sure there are others too...but those two just popped in to the old noggen.
 
#67
#67
Fine Vol said:
Yea but everyone agrees SP is a great coach so results should have been better than they are.
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now you're giving to much value to any coach. He has clearly made that a better program across the board. He doesn't yet have the tools in place to beat everyone else and the SEC is a tough place to bring a program from the bottom to the top of the heap. Patience with him is justified.

Unrealistic fans can keep expecting near term turnarounds, but systemic mental change is not a short process where losing games has been the trend. If Smelley ends up worth anything, they will remain very dangerous going forward. That pathetic squad had us dead to rights at the end of regulation after having been soundly stomped in the 1st half. That's coaching. They didn't get it done, but they scared the hell out of all of us.
 
#69
#69
BigPapaVol said:
now you're giving to much value to any coach. He has clearly made that a better program across the board. He doesn't yet have the tools in place to beat everyone else and the SEC is a tough place to bring a program from the bottom to the top of the heap. Patience with him is justified.

Unrealistic fans can keep expecting near term turnarounds, but systemic mental change is not a short process where losing games has been the trend. If Smelley ends up worth anything, they will remain very dangerous going forward. That pathetic squad had us dead to rights at the end of regulation after having been soundly stomped in the 1st half. That's coaching. They didn't get it done, but they scared the hell out of all of us.
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Are you saying your cocks expectation is to low?
 
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