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K-9 officers "trigger" their dogs all the time. If they want to search, they'll manufacture probable cause. After the police ran the drivers' license and found nothing, they had no legal justification to detain them any longer.

These bogus charges will be dropped and they'll get sued. A passenger does not have to ID themselves to the police, but they routinely throw out the catch-all "obstruction" charge when he/she fails to do so.

Been a while, but I'm fairly sure US V. Fernandez is one ruling which is used on the argument that LE can require passengers to identify themselves.

Also, you have to understand how dogs smell to understand that just because there were no drugs found does not mean there was not residual odors the dog indicated on. I'm not saying there are no K-9 officers who would do what you say, but I'd argue that 99% would'nt.
 
When are people going to learn? Don't ever talk to the police. Answer no question... give them your ID and keep your mouth shut.

If you're a criminal then I agree. However, this way of thinking is what feeds the mistrust between LE and upstanding citizens. We are in this together. There is no need to create something when something doesnt exist, and I'm referring to LE also.
 
If you're a criminal then I agree. However, this way of thinking is what feeds the mistrust between LE and upstanding citizens. We are in this together. There is no need to create something when something doesnt exist, and I'm referring to LE also.

If you're a criminal? No. GG is right, never talk to a LEO outside of the required information.

And I'm an upstanding citizen.
 
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Something like this actually happened to me while in high school. I was a passenger in a vehicle that was pulled over. One officer was questioning the driver. (pulled over because his car had fog lamps. Yes I'm serious.) Out of nowhere a second officer starts starts questioning me and has me exit the car. He starts asking me crazy questions. I ask him, "he was pulled over for a traffic issue, on what grounds are you questioning me?" He then gets in my face and says, "I don't think you respect authority. Maybe we ought to take you to jail." I explained, "no sir, I do respect authority, which is why I'm very concerned about why you are reacting this way." Fortunately my other friend, the driver, was out of the car and witnessing all of this." They finished up with their antics and let us go citing me for underage drinking even though there was no alcohol in the car, and no field sobriety test. What the cop didn't know is that my friend's dad was a judge.
The ticket had his badge number. He immediately relayed this story to his dad who then contacted the officer who refused to drop the ticket. My friend's dad knew this officer had previous problems and contacted the judge assigned. This judge interviewed the second officer. I was asked not to show up at court. I was told that the judge then humiliated the officer in front of the court, threw out my case with court costs waived and said he'd have him on desk duty if he ever wasted the court's time with trumped up charges.

That said, one of my friends and roll models was a local officer who always went out of his way to help kids. The truth is like most occupations, there are some people not qualified to the do the job.
 
If you're a criminal? No. GG is right, never talk to a LEO outside of the required information.

And I'm an upstanding citizen.

you're absolutely right. - Nothing good can come from talking to police. This is a GREAT youtube video explaining why.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc[/youtube]
 
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If you're a criminal then I agree. However, this way of thinking is what feeds the mistrust between LE and upstanding citizens. We are in this together. There is no need to create something when something doesnt exist, and I'm referring to LE also.

Not sure if stupid or liar.
 
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SWAT Team Shot David Hooks At Home After Tip From Meth Addict

Yay.

And in before not all the facts are known, we don't know what really happened, etc.

Fact remains this was a tip from a known drug user and thief and no drugs or illegal activity were found. This boils down to a man being murdered in his own house by the state because he practiced his 2nd amendment right.
 
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If you're a criminal? No. GG is right, never talk to a LEO outside of the required information.

And I'm an upstanding citizen.

What purpose does this line of thinking serve? So, your wife is raped in a crowded square and no one talks? Over the top? Maybe, but my point is your fears are over the top.
 
What purpose does this line of thinking serve? So, your wife is raped in a crowded square and no one talks? Over the top? Maybe, but my point is your fears are over the top.

You said that unless you're a criminal, correct? Witness to a crime, sure give a statement.

Never talk if being questioned like you are a suspect and not all those suspected are criminals. But hey, I understand where you're coming from. Most LEO believe the average citizen is criminal.
 
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What purpose does this line of thinking serve? So, your wife is raped in a crowded square and no one talks? Over the top? Maybe, but my point is your fears are over the top.

See the youtube video I posted above. It'll answer your questions on why you can NEVER improve your position by talking with LEO, ever.

"Anything you say can and will be used against you" everything else is hearsay.
 
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If you're a criminal then I agree. However, this way of thinking is what feeds the mistrust between LE and upstanding citizens. We are in this together. There is no need to create something when something doesnt exist, and I'm referring to LE also.

I tend to agree with you. I've been pulled over a few times. Once was bogus fishing outside the Joe last year (in a way I don't blame him. We had just lost to vandy... In retrospect, I should have been drinking) and he circled my car twice looking for something when he didn't smell alcohol on me. That was the only time I had ever been cited in the state of Tennessee (also a nonmoving violation in NYC... Never driving there again...) every other time I've been respectful and honest and just got warnings.
 
You said that unless you're a criminal, correct? Witness to a crime, sure give a statement.

Never talk if being questioned like you are a suspect and not all those suspected are criminals. But hey, I understand where you're coming from. Most LEO believe the average citizen is criminal.

I think we are saying the same thing.
 
Pretty obvious. Not worth going into it with you if you cant figure it out

I agree with your statement, surprised? My take on is that the police have extricated themselves from the community over the years causing the mistrust.
 
I agree with your statement, surprised? My take on is that the police have extricated themselves from the community over the years causing the mistrust.

I think its a two way street. Both can do better, afterall we are striving for the good of all.
 
one time the cops have talked to passengers in my car was I was driving on a limited license (what you have in TN until 18) and so wasn't supposed to be driving people around after 9 or 10 or whatever. The cop had to get my friends IDs to confirm they were 18, I was too but license wasn't updated to the full version. Guess what I did the next day.
 
one time the cops have talked to passengers in my car was I was driving on a limited license (what you have in TN until 18) and so wasn't supposed to be driving people around after 9 or 10 or whatever. The cop had to get my friends IDs to confirm they were 18, I was too but license wasn't updated to the full version. Guess what I did the next day.

Sometimes its just that simple. Otoh, what would've been gained by one of your passengers becoming confrontational? Is it their right, maybe, but what is gained by it?
 
I think its a two way street. Both can do better, afterall we are striving for the good of all.

If I get pulled over for a seat belt violation & my license, insurance, & registration is in order why would you ask where I'm going, where I'm coming from, & to search my vehicle?
 
I agree with your statement, surprised? My take on is that the police have extricated themselves from the community over the years causing the mistrust.

I think you'd be surprised by how much we can agree on.
 
I think its a two way street. Both can do better, afterall we are striving for the good of all.

It's not on the citizenry to do better, it's on the LEO. Stop treating everyone like a suspect, stop talking down to people and lose the I'm superior to you attitude. (not referencing you personally)
 
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