With two of the three spots filled, Vols 9th in SEC recruiting

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ukvols said:
I believe it will take a lot more than one Top 20 class every four years to win a national title. I believe we need to average Top 20 classes to have a legit shot at it.
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UConn did it this past year. They had 1 top 20 class in the last 4 seasons coming into last year.
 
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ukvols said:
I believe it will take a lot more than one Top 20 class every four years to win a national title. I believe we need to average Top 20 classes to have a legit shot at it.
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Agreed. Unless, as BTO pointed out, Tyndall is Bo Ryan or Brad Stevens, you have to have major talent to win big.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
UConn did it this past year. They had 1 top 20 class in the last 4 seasons coming into last year.
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thats not true....according to rivals they had two top twenty classes and all of their star players were top 100 and came from the two top 20 classes.
 
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SJAVol32 said:
Believe what?
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Him running people off to make room for 5 in this class. Either way it looks bad. He's either running off seniors (Reese, Baulkman, etc) or guys that he just recruited (McGhee, etc). You better believe if he does it that will be used in negative recruiting against us
 
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So now he's running off kids and other coaches are using it against him? Can we play a freaking game or maybe have a practice before the soap opera bs?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So now he's running off kids and other coaches are using it against him? Can we play a freaking game or maybe have a practice before the soap opera bs?
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Not gonna happen bro , not with this bunch lol I agree with you though . I think he will be a good coach
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So now he's running off kids and other coaches are using it against him? Can we play a freaking game or maybe have a practice before the soap opera bs?
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People connected to the program are saying we'll take 5. Something will have to happen to take 3 more.
 
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CAVol said:
Him running people off to make room for 5 in this class. Either way it looks bad. He's either running off seniors (Reese, Baulkman, etc) or guys that he just recruited (McGhee, etc). You better believe if he does it that will be used in negative recruiting against us
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I can't see him running off McGhee. The other 2 you mentioned seems more realistic
 
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SJAVol32 said:
People connected to the program are saying we'll take 5. Something will have to happen to take 3 more.
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Once again, why don't you all wait and see what happens instead of forming an opinion and fretting about what may happen down the line.

If you look at the class he signed, Dom, and the 2 new commits, there are some ball players. Let them play. Of course not all of them will work out. All never do.
This isn't Aau or nba. Its college ball. Good coaches and good ball players will win games. We either have both or we don't. We shall see. But whining about every choice or player before they put on the jersey is kind of weak, imo. You guys have no idea how any of these guys will do in college. None. Neither do I. Analyze their game and form an opinion of your own. Funny thing is when I ask what part of a recruits game is lacking to those complaining, not one has analyzed a kids play on the court and commented on a weakness they see.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So now he's running off kids and other coaches are using it against him? Can we play a freaking game or maybe have a practice before the soap opera bs?
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Its not a soap opera, Sparty. You know I don't start drama. He would have to run off people to take 5. That's a fact. People close to the program have said we will take 5. I'm sure you understand how running off a senior or a guy he just recruited would be used against us in recruiting.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
UConn did it this past year. They had 1 top 20 class in the last 4 seasons coming into last year.
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I doubt what UConn did is normal.
I still think it's a huge stretch to think that one Top 20 class in a four-span will make us an NC contender. We would be overachieving if we were ranked with that level of recruiting.
 
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CAVol said:
Its not a soap opera, Sparty. You know I don't start drama. He would have to run off people to take 5. That's a fact. People close to the program have said we will take 5. I'm sure you understand how running off a senior or a guy he just recruited would be used against us in recruiting.
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Martin ran off Trae and it didn't deter Barton, DT or his other recruits.
I know you aren't a dqueen. I'm more of a wait and see instead of worry about it.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Martin ran off Trae and it didn't deter Barton, DT or his other recruits.
I know you aren't a dqueen. I'm more of a wait and see instead of worry about it.
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Eh, at least its something to talk about. Also, wasn't trae kicked out by the university?
 
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CAVol said:
Eh, at least its something to talk about.
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I know you say we need top notch players but if CDT is the coach we hope he is, do you not like some of the games of some of the recruits that are up there now and committed?
College ball is different. We just need ball players, shooters and a coach. That's why I love the game. If you have that, you are always in it. And by good players, I don't mean kids rivals decided to jump 20 spots before their sr year. I mean kids that play hard and know how to play basketball.
 
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ukvols said:
I doubt what UConn did is normal.
I still think it's a huge stretch to think that one Top 20 class in a four-span will make us an NC contender. We would be overachieving if we were ranked with that level of recruiting.
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Winning the title without a top 20 class doesn't happen. But a decent number of teams make the final 4 without ever signing a top 20 class.

That said, with Woodson, Mostella, Punter and Owens plus the others counted, I think this class is very close to top 20 level. Two top 100, a Juco AA, a 6'11 guy who was top 100 at one point. That's not a bad haul. That and the size of it gives Tyndall a little breathing room in what he can take this year. I'd hope we sign a top 20 class this season, but we won't know how it'll all shake out until next spring. So I'm not going to get all worked up about it. Especially when one of the guys is a top 10 player in Georgia that had multiple SEC offers.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Winning the title without a top 20 class doesn't happen. But a decent number of teams make the final 4 without ever signing a top 20 class.

That said, with Woodson, Mostella, Punter and Owens plus the others counted, I think this class is very close to top 20 level. Two top 100, a Juco AA, a 6'11 guy who was top 100 at one point. That's not a bad haul. That and the size of it gives Tyndall a little breathing room in what he can take this year. I'd hope we sign a top 20 class this season, but we won't know how it'll all shake out until next spring. So I'm not going to get all worked up about it. Especially when one of the guys is a top 10 player in Georgia that had multiple SEC offers.
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Add Hubbs into the group you listed, and that's a pretty solid starting lineup beyond this season if Punter can man the PG position.

SR Punter @ PG
SO Mostella @ SG
JR Hubbs @ SG/SF
SO Owens @ PF
SO/JR Woodson @ C

That leaves you with...
SR A. Moore
SR D. Reese
SR D. Baulkman
SO W. Carmichael
SO J. McGhee
FR A. Schofield
FR S. Phillips

That's a decent lineup and subject to change obviously this far out. Still a major hole at PG. We need Crawford or Miller...or both ideally.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I know you say we need top notch players but if CDT is the coach we hope he is, do you not like some of the games of some of the recruits that are up there now and committed?
College ball is different. We just need ball players, shooters and a coach. That's why I love the game. If you have that, you are always in it. And by good players, I don't mean kids rivals decided to jump 20 spots before their sr year. I mean kids that play hard and know how to play basketball.
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I agree with all of that, especially if you can get kids that fit your system. I just think there were better ball players available at this point than the ones we took. I think Schofield and Shembari are good players. I'm excited to see them develop. I was just expecting coach to go after some guys who could have more of an instant impact. He needs to get a legit point guard to fill out the class.
 
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CAVol said:
I agree with all of that, especially if you can get kids that fit your system. I just think there were better ball players available at this point than the ones we took. I think Schofield and Shembari are good players. I'm excited to see them develop. I was just expecting coach to go after some guys who could have more of an instant impact. He needs to get a legit point guard to fill out the class.
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I'm guessing we sign 4 at the minimum. We are still in on Chris Clarke and Dwayne Bacon and those 2 seem to be our top two targets. Speculation has been that we are in the top 2 for both of those but I don't think we lead for either. Still recruiting Luke Maye as well. We are recruiting a few point guards. Crawford and Miller off the top of my head and the kid from Chicago who is a top 150 player. Bacon is being recruited to play some point as well.

There's several combinations of those kids that if we hit on 2 of them, we've got a really solid first class. Meanwhile, Tyndall seems to be getting in on a lot of 2016 kids. You've got to hope that he is able to sell those kids after a season of seeing him play.

Ultimately, its about who you land but I'm willing to give him more time than 4.5 months to show me he can get it done on the trail.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Ideally, we'd land Bacon and Crawford or Miller IMO.
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Oh yeah...I'd prefer Bacon to either. I'm just not sure he's the pure PG we are after. More of a SG (combo skewed to SG perhaps), but you definitely take him above all else. And if you have to sell him on PG minutes, you do it. Bacon and either Crawford/Miller is ideal.
 
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