Tony Dungy Said He wouldnt have drafted Micheal Sam

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volfanjustin said:
who said he didn't deserve a shot? He is a distraction and likes the attention, most coaches don't want a circus around their team.
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Like the circus that surrounded hiring black coaches? Probably should have steered away from them because of the potential distraction
 
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utvolpj said:
No he didn't. He was already out to everyone who needed to know in football. He didn't hide it
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But the general public didn't know. Sam was pretty smart coming out to the media when he did. It kind of backfired on him though...
 
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volfanjustin said:
who said he didn't deserve a shot? He is a distraction and likes the attention, most coaches don't want a circus around their team.
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CC did, basically

govols/cc said:
Who cares? He wasn't given a chance based on talent & that's obvious. The self promoted pr he started probably did a lot to help him. God forbid anybody give their opinion on not drafting a gay player that's gonna have zero impact & be a media circus & an even bigger pr nightmare when he gets cut. It's sad the ones preaching equality & tolerance don't exercise it themselves.
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utvols88 said:
Unfortunately for you this isn't a character issue. There's no excuse for it. Character issues involve illegal or unethical actions.

You can't accept a circus because so and so is black but not accept it because of sexual orientation.
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Actually you can. It's not about what would cause a distraction, it's just that it would exist. So they have to weigh the risk vs his reward. Is the guy a top of line NFL talent? Or is he a career backup at best? Do we think this guy will lead us to Super Bowls or is he just going to be a distraction for everyone else while contributing little. Where does Sam fall in that range?

What was one of the first things that happened after Sam was drafted? A tv show was announced that wanted to follow him around since he was the first open homosexual NFL player. What does the owner/gm/coach see? Team distraction. Probably why is was killed not long after it was announced.
 
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vols 30 said:
But the general public didn't know. Sam was pretty smart coming out to the media when he did. It kind of backfired on him though...
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How? His draft grade didn't change by coming out. All it did was give the mouth breathers something to complain about
 
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TheDeeble said:
Actually you can. It's not about what would cause a distraction, it's just that it would exist. So they have to weigh the risk vs his reward. Is the guy a top of line NFL talent? Or is he a career backup at best?

What was one of the first things that happened after Sam was drafted? A tv show was announced that wanted to follow him around since he was the first open homosexual NFL player. What does the owner/gm/coach see? Team distraction. Probably why is was killed not long after it was announced.
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And since then Sam hasn't done a thing to offer a distraction.
 
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zjcvols said:
Said that what he meant was it was his team philosophy to not draft/sign players who were considered distractions.
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Which is still ridiculous since he had actively campaigned for second chances for players that caused massive distractions for both their team and the league
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wait, so was it smart or was it a bad move?
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I think it was smart of him coming out to the media.. I can see why he timed his announcement this way. But in hindsight, maybe coming out pushed him back to the 7th round.
 
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utvols88 said:
And since then Sam hasn't done a thing to offer a distraction.
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And he may never again. For his potential some teams may not have wanted the risk.

But if he was a physical talent, like Clowney for example, he would have been picked in the 1st round.
 
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TheDeeble said:
And he may never again. For his potential some teams may not have wanted the risk.

But if he was a physical talent, like Clowney for example, he would have been picked in the 1st round.
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It's irrelevant. It's a social barrier and Dungy is saying the same crap the good Ole white guys said when black people played in the NFL for the first time in 1946.

It's contradictory as he has publicly supported proven team distractions in Vick and Tebow. Hypocritical because he's been an advocate for fairness and merits. Ungrateful because he is overlooking the distraction that made his career possible and how those sacrifices molded the opportunity for African American coaches and players. He should appreciate the situation better and understand a possible distraction is necessary for the betterment of the NFL culture and society.

If everyone had his mentality in 1946 and when he attempted to coach, how do you think the social landscape would currently be in the NFL? I'm sure that landscape would be to the chagrin of the current Dungy.

People sacrificed and went through hell to give him the opportunity to not face a barrier as a player and make it easy as a coach yet he isn't willing to assist with a movement because of a team distraction? It's called leadership. He's currently not showing any.

Per Dungy, this has nothing to do with his talent. So bringing up his "fringe" status isn't pertinent to this issue.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's irrelevant. It's a social barrier and Dungy is saying the same crap the good Ole white guys said when black people played in the NFL for the first time in 1946.

It's contradictory as he has publicly supported proven team distractions in Vick and Tebow. Hypocritical because he's been an advocate for fairness and merits. Ungrateful because he is overlooking the distraction that made his career possible and how those sacrifices molded the opportunity for African American coaches and players. He should appreciate the situation better and understand a possible distraction is necessary for the betterment of the NFL culture and society.

If everyone had his mentality in 1946 and when he attempted to coach, how do you think the social landscape would currently be in the NFL? I'm sure that landscape would be to the chagrin of the current Dungy.

People sacrificed and went through hell to give him the opportunity to not face a barrier as a player and make it easy as a coach yet he isn't willing to assist with a movement because of a team distraction? It's called leadership. He's currently not showing any.

Per Dungy, this has nothing to do with his talent. So bringing up his "fringe" status isn't pertinent to this issue.
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It's irrelevant because you want it to fit your argument. If clowney said he was gay a month before the draft he would've still went #1. God forbid anyone have an opinion or view that differs with a homosexual, minority, liberal, etc. Damn intolerant, homophobic racists.
 
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I'm not talking about just what Dungy said. I mean the perspective of risk vs reward. Why teams passed on him. Why he is viewed as a risk.

From Bill Polian on Sam:

Dungy’s former boss and long-time NFL executive and now ESPN analyst Bill Polian said the following regarding Sam

“One of the questions you (i.e. a team’s talent evaluators) would ask is, as a football player, is he worth all of the trouble we’re going to have in terms of the early going with media, with involvement by the league office, with involvement by special interest groups, et cetera? Is he worth all that trouble? There are going to be some teams, unfortunately, who say, ‘No, he isn’t.’ He’s not that great a player that they’re going to be willing to put up with the early kinds of intrusions – football people would view them as intrusions and distractions – that you will get, because this is not a sports media issue. This is MSNBC. This is Fox News network. This is [Bill] O’Reilly-type stuff that is going to get forced into your football program.”
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Tony Dungy's Comments On Michael Sam Reflect Both Honesty And Hypocrisy - Forbes

NFL teams are scared of distractions. Whether they come from criminal activity or social activity. If player comes with baggage he'd better be a top caliber player to warrant the risk.
 
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govols/cc said:
It's irrelevant because you want it to fit your argument. If clowney said he was gay a month before the draft he would've still went #1. God forbid anyone have an opinion or view that differs with a homosexual, minority, liberal, etc. Damn intolerant, homophobic racists.
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What are you talking about? I never said his draft spot differed because of it. So bringing up Clowney isn't addressing any of my points
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm not talking about just what Dungy said. I mean the perspective of risk vs reward. Why teams passed on him. Why he is viewed as a risk.

From Bill Polian on Sam:



Tony Dungy's Comments On Michael Sam Reflect Both Honesty And Hypocrisy - Forbes

NFL teams are scared of distractions. Whether they come from criminal activity or social activity. If player comes with baggage he'd better be a top caliber player to warrant the risk.
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Again, it's not the comment. It's who it came from. It's past decisions that conflict with this one. Hell, Polian might have truly had a policy of no distraction players. Dungy does not based on his own past endorsements. As he has now been inconsistent, it's natural to think there's another reason for it and he's just too chicken **** to say it or maybe he's just not as outstanding of a guy that he is perceived to be. Who knows
 
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utvols88 said:
What are you talking about? I never said his draft spot differed because of it. So bringing up Clowney isn't addressing any of my points
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The point is his mediocre talent wasn't worth the distraction & there's nothing wrong with stating that no matter who you are.
 
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govols/cc said:
The point is his mediocre talent wasn't worth the distraction & there's nothing wrong with stating that no matter who you are.
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If you stand up for a talentless distraction like Tebow and then say you wouldn't want a talentless distraction like Sam, people are going to wonder why. The answer can't be "mediocre talent is not worth the distraction".
 
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n_huffhines said:
If you stand up for a talentless distraction like Tebow and then say you wouldn't want a talentless distraction like Sam, people are going to wonder why. The answer can't be "mediocre talent is not worth the distraction".
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I never stood up for tebow & there were plenty others who didn't that didn't receive any backlash. Stephen A, the biggest racist around, was constantly bashing tebow.
 
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Nobody is talking about you. I'm talking about Dungy defending Tebow. I meant the royal you, not you specifically.
 
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govols/cc said:
I never stood up for tebow & there were plenty others who didn't that didn't receive any backlash. Stephen A, the biggest racist around, was constantly bashing tebow.
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I don't disagree with your Stephen A comment. He's unbelievable. He got away with calling all white people accessories to slavery and discrimination. Outrageous.
 
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govols/cc said:
It's irrelevant because you want it to fit your argument. If clowney said he was gay a month before the draft he would've still went #1. God forbid anyone have an opinion or view that differs with a homosexual, minority, liberal, etc. Damn intolerant, homophobic racists.
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Truth!
 
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