'15 TN ATH Jaylond Woods (UT Commit 4/20/13)

[LebanonVolunteer]

I'm not necessarily talking about the in-state kids and I'm not saying these types of offers should become the norm, but it is what it is. It can lock a guy up just in case another doesn't pan out. And if there was full disclosure from the get go then there is no reason to take issue with it imo. I haven't heard anything like that with Bruce, but seems like Woods had/has work to do in order to keep his offer.

Yeah, the Woods situation could be a bit different if in fact he has grade concerns as some have mentioned. I then have no issue if the staff went in another direction. The fact that he continues to visit, continues to look like a UT commitment, and seems to be part of the class(even to the coaches), it leads me to think it's still a situation where Woods gets the work done and is a part of the class. The mistake fans make IMO is basing who is on the chopping block by the number of *'s by their name. Obviously the coaches are not paying much attention to those *'s.

 

[Probably_in_Class]

Yeah, the Woods situation could be a bit different if in fact he has grade concerns as some have mentioned. I then have no issue if the staff went in another direction. The fact that he continues to visit, continues to look like a UT commitment, and seems to be part of the class(even to the coaches), it leads me to think it's still a situation where Woods gets the work done and is a part of the class. The mistake fans make IMO is basing who is on the chopping block by the number of *'s by their name. Obviously the coaches are not paying much attention to those *'s.

It could be argued people are basing their opinions based on the number of offers next to his name. There aren't a lot of those either...

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

It could be argued people are basing their opinions based on the number of offers next to his name. There aren't a lot of those either...

That does not really surprise me. Instate kid who was offered and committed very early to the state school. With him having said his favorite growing up was OSU and him still picking Tennessee IMO tells other schools spending time to recruit him would likely be wasted time.

JMO

 

[Probably_in_Class]

That does not really surprise me. Instate kid who was offered and committed very early to the state school. With him having said his favorite growing up was OSU and him still picking Tennessee IMO tells other schools spending time to recruit him would likely be wasted time.

JMO

Fair point. Look at this. Peaceful discussion on VN. It's like Khalil brought peace on earth with his commitment!

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

Yeah, the Woods situation could be a bit different if in fact he has grade concerns as some have mentioned. I then have no issue if the staff went in another direction. The fact that he continues to visit, continues to look like a UT commitment, and seems to be part of the class(even to the coaches), it leads me to think it's still a situation where Woods gets the work done and is a part of the class. The mistake fans make IMO is basing who is on the chopping block by the number of *'s by their name. Obviously the coaches are not paying much attention to those *'s.

I couldn't agree more...too many get caught up only in stars. Recruiting gets much more enjoyable when you learn to appreciate offer lists and understand how to break film down properly to know what you're looking for.

 

[BigOrangeD]

I couldn't agree more...too many get caught up only in stars. Recruiting gets much more enjoyable when you learn to appreciate offer lists and understand how to break film down properly to know what you're looking for.

Here you go:

 

[steino]

Saw him play yesterday in 7 on 7's. He still has a ways to go. He was pretty much shut down in man coverage. He was playing X tho, but he could not get separation. As for moving to CB, there is no way he can play that position at an SEC level. And I would think it would be unfair for anyone to assume so.

 

[NochNoch]

I couldn't agree more...too many get caught up only in stars. Recruiting gets much more enjoyable when you learn to appreciate offer lists and understand how to break film down properly to know what you're looking for.

So you're getting entire game film, not to mention film from multiple games, from somewhere?

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

So you're getting entire game film, not to mention film from multiple games, from somewhere?

Isn't everyone?

I'm pretty sure season ticket holders have CBJ's personal office phone number and can request film as needed. I know I have stacks and stacks of recruiting DVD's with CBJ's personal evals attached to each. Bout twice a week he calls me and asks what I think. How do you think we got Quinten Dormady?

Hello! :birgits_giggle:

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

So you're getting entire game film, not to mention film from multiple games, from somewhere?

Well no, nothing more than what's out there and available. I also like to get out and see as much live HS football as I can. To me the true fun in recruiting comes from all aspects...film included. I'm just speaking on those who are so quick to rave or totally dismiss a kid based solely on stars and such. I enjoy gathering my own info and making my own personal opinions on a recruit. Nothing more, nothing less. My apologies if I somehow offended you, sir. :hi:

 

[NochNoch]

Well no, nothing more than what's out there and available. I also like to get out and see as much live HS football as I can. To me the true fun in recruiting comes from all aspects...film included. I'm just speaking on those who are so quick to rave or totally dismiss a kid based solely on stars and such. I enjoy gathering my own info and making my own personal opinions on a recruit. Nothing more, nothing less. My apologies if I somehow offended you, sir. :hi:

Not sure how you got that I was offended out of that, I just think that fans judging recruits off of highlight tapes is a little short sighted. They have that name for a reason.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

Not sure how you got that I was offended out of that, I just think that fans judging recruits off of highlight tapes is a little short sighted. They have that name for a reason.

I agree...I'm not judging simply off highlight tapes either. I do enjoy studying film though and watching live. I know I don't see as much as some, but I'm sure I see more than many. I really appreciate your posts and agree with you quite often but I don't feel as though I'm being short sided in my opinions. We are essentially saying the same thing I think...that there is a lot more goes into recruiting than simple stargazing and watching a couple highlights.

 

[steino]

Between NFHS and HUDL, you can access as much game film as you want on most prospects.

 

[NochNoch]

I agree...I'm not judging simply off highlight tapes either. I do enjoy studying film though and watching live. I know I don't see as much as some, but I'm sure I see more than many. I really appreciate your posts and agree with you quite often but I don't feel as though I'm being short sided in my opinions. We are essentially saying the same thing I think...that there is a lot more goes into recruiting than simple stargazing and watching a couple highlights.

That's fair, and I should have been more general because I wasn't really intending to direct it all at you. If you see a lot of these guys live then I would definitely listen to that analysis. The thing that kills me are the fans who watch a youtube video that is edited, usually by someone close to or with a vested interest in the recruit, and rave about them bc their "highlight" tape looks awesome.

 

[Sherlock Volmes]

I think it's pretty obvious with the talent we are in on and his "issues" whatever they may actually be will make this a pretty easy decision.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

That's fair, and I should have been more general because I wasn't really intending to direct it all at you. If you see a lot of these guys live then I would definitely listen to that analysis. The thing that kills me are the fans who watch a youtube video that is edited, usually by someone close to or with a vested interest in the recruit, and rave about them bc their "highlight" tape looks awesome.

Good deal...I'm definitely with you when it comes to "highlights" for sure. I just wanted to clarify that I do try and actually see a kid's whole game before making any observations. Those YouTube videos are where so many fans mess up and fall in love with a kid. Of course they look good in those...there isn't any other option lol. :hi:

 

[NochNoch]

Good deal...I'm definitely with you when it comes to "highlights" for sure. I just wanted to clarify that I do try and actually see a kid's whole game before making any observations. Those YouTube videos are where so many fans mess up and fall in love with a kid. Of course they look good in those...there isn't any other option lol. :hi:

Exactly.

 

[AboveAllNations]

Dews commitment quickly had some things tied to it last year. That came out very quickly after his commitment from several sources. I have not heard anything like that with either Woods or Bruce.

I just don't get why even bother taking a kids commitment and at the same time telling him, "if a better player wants in, you're the 1st to go". All a sudden those tears of joy mentioned when JB committed don't mean a whole lot.

How many instate guys did CBJ take a commitment from last year and then cut loose?

As long as a coaching staff gives a "commit" a couple of weeks notice before national signing day, I don't think it's so bad to revoke the scholarship offer. A recruit can decommit if a better school offers; why can't a coaching staff revoke a scholarship offer if a better recruit commits? Neither party has actually "committed" to anything until NSD.

I also don't think its so bad to offer scholarships / accept commitments from in-state kids who might not ultimately be good enough to sign with the team. Ideally, those kids might be diamonds in the rough who blossom into valuable contributors. At the very least, those players can be proud of the fact that they earned a scholarship offer from a top notch program (if only for a limited time) and can use that to attract offers from other schools.

No harm no foul, in my opinion. With that being said, I can see us revoking offers to Woods, Lovingame, Bruce, and maybe even Dylan Jackson, depending on who we can get later this fall.

 

[AboveAllNations]

Good deal...I'm definitely with you when it comes to "highlights" for sure. I just wanted to clarify that I do try and actually see a kid's whole game before making any observations. Those YouTube videos are where so many fans mess up and fall in love with a kid. Of course they look good in those...there isn't any other option lol. :hi:

I disagree. Yes, highlight films are selectively edited to showcase the best a recruit can offer, but that's still valuable information. Highlight films essentially show the ceiling for a particular player's potential, and if the highlights aren't particularly impressive, you can feel secure in declining to recruit a kid without fearing that you've missed something. Traits that a coach or scout can only observe from watching an entire game - effort, consistency and good decision-making - are all attributes that should theoretically improve with good coaching, so those are less important than the raw talent you can observe from a highlight tape.

 

[ACvol3]

I like woods and joc, but I really don't see a way that we take both this class with the numbers so tight. They are really very similar players. I'm anxious to see how this plays out.

Anybody know if Clinton plays South Doyle this year? I thought they atleast scrimmage them.

 

[OrangeHammer]

I like woods and joc, but I really don't see a way that we take both this class with the numbers so tight. They are really very similar players. I'm anxious to see how this plays out.

Anybody know if Clinton plays South Doyle this year? I thought they atleast scrimmage them.

Not sure if they do or not, but I'll try to make it out to see how JW performs. I don't even know what sort of shape the Dragons are currently in.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

As long as a coaching staff gives a "commit" a couple of weeks notice before national signing day, I don't think it's so bad to revoke the scholarship offer. A recruit can decommit if a better school offers; why can't a coaching staff revoke a scholarship offer if a better recruit commits? Neither party has actually "committed" to anything until NSD.

I also don't think its so bad to offer scholarships / accept commitments from in-state kids who might not ultimately be good enough to sign with the team. Ideally, those kids might be diamonds in the rough who blossom into valuable contributors. At the very least, those players can be proud of the fact that they earned a scholarship offer from a top notch program (if only for a limited time) and can use that to attract offers from other schools.

No harm no foul, in my opinion. With that being said, I can see us revoking offers to Woods, Lovingame, Bruce, and maybe even Dylan Jackson, depending on who we can get later this fall.

A couple weeks notice huh? Been committed for almost 2 years, but give em a couple weeks notice to restart the whole recruiting process which they shut down as they were sold on being a Vol, because they trusted the coaches. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

If a recruit is not taking visits, has shut down their recruitment, and are not talking with other schools, that says committed. Yes, I agree recruits can de-commit. You won't usually see a kid de-commit who is not still shopping himself around. Throwing all kids into the same pot IMO is not an accurate depiction of the process when it comes to using the idea of "drop the lower rated guys for higher rated guys because they all may de-commit:".

The fact is it does cause harm, especially if it's instate. Anyone who thinks it does not burn bridges to take a commitment from an instate kid and then drop him for nothing more than a kid with another * by his name closer to NSD is just not paying attention.

You think dropping (4) instate kids, 3 of which seeming have no "issues" whatsoever will just be cool with everyone involved? As a "fan" I suppose you can be alright with it as you have no skin in the game. I myself like to see at least a shred of integrity once and a while from the coaches.

 

[steino]

I like woods and joc, but I really don't see a way that we take both this class with the numbers so tight. They are really very similar players. I'm anxious to see how this plays out.

Anybody know if Clinton plays South Doyle this year? I thought they atleast scrimmage them.

They do not play in the regular season. Not sure about a scrimmage. They are both playing today in the Maryville 7 v 7 tourney at Maryville College along with about 30 other teams.

 

[TriedAndTrueVOL]

I disagree. Yes, highlight films are selectively edited to showcase the best a recruit can offer, but that's still valuable information. Highlight films essentially show the ceiling for a particular player's potential, and if the highlights aren't particularly impressive, you can feel secure in declining to recruit a kid without fearing that you've missed something. Traits that a coach or scout can only observe from watching an entire game - effort, consistency and good decision-making - are all attributes that should theoretically improve with good coaching, so those are less important than the raw talent you can observe from a highlight tape.

Highlights are simply that though...highlights. You just can't get a feel for a kid's complete game and skill set without seeing more. Yes, you can get an idea of some things they can do well, but can they do them consistently throughout an entire game and season? And if a kid's highlight tape doesn't show you anything, then of course there isn't much point in digging much further. All I'm saying is, from a fan's prospective, don't fall in love over a few highlights...

 

[OrangeDonkey]

Someone who has seen this guy play in person tell me why he is a take. Just asking.

He won't be an early impact guy. I think he can provide depth into his jr and sr year.

He is very talented, but has never been coached. Hell, he doesn't even lift weights (at all).

Tons of potential imo. Remember, CBJ wasn't the only staff that liked him. Clemson, Texas, Ohio state, all showed interest as well, he just shut his recruitment up super early and doesn't really camp and stuff.

With all this being said, I think he ends up in JUCO.