IRS admits to targeting Conservative groups

Koskinnen along with the rest of this Executive Branch are sociopaths as are most statists. The states really need to organize a Constitutional Convention. It is our only hope.

I think if they just followed the one we have it might work as intended.

I don't know if a Constitutional Convention is necessarily the right way to go. Way too many things can go utterly wrong. I'm not sure if you've ever seen the TV show Jericho or not, but in the second partial season they talked about this. If (when) special interests get politicians in their pockets you end up with a situation that's just as bad as now or maybe even worse.
 
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I think if they just followed the one we have it might work as intended.

I don't know if a Constitutional Convention is necessarily the right way to go. Way too many things can go utterly wrong. I'm not sure if you've ever seen the TV show Jericho or not, but in the second partial season they talked about this. If (when) special interests get politicians in their pockets you end up with a situation that's just as bad as now or maybe even worse.

IMHO a constitutional convention is a dangerous thing and should be avoided. When is the last time a group of politicians got together and anything good came out of it?
 
IMHO a constitutional convention is a dangerous thing and should be avoided. When is the last time a group of politicians got together and anything good came out of it?

It's the only way the states can reassert their power over the National Command Authority.
 
Meet The Seven IRS Employees Whose Computers ‘Crashed’

Patrick Howley
Political Reporter


The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is currently claiming that seven different IRS officials experienced computer crashes that erased their emails and made it impossible for the IRS to cooperate with congressional investigations into the IRS targeting matter.

The wave of computer crashes apparently struck both Washington, D.C. — where Lois Lerner oversaw the agency’s Exempt Organizations division — and also Cincinnati, Ohio — where agents processed tax-exempt applications.

The Federal Records Act requires IRS employees to save all of their emails pertaining to agency business and to also print those emails out in case they have a computer crash.

IRS commissioner John Koskinen claimed in testimony in March that the IRS employees’ emails were saved on servers, but then testified this month that he doesn’t know of any “magical way” to get the missing emails back.

The IRS canceled its six-year business relationship with the email-archiving firm Sonasoft in September 2011, weeks after Lerner’s computer crash, and also prematurely retired data storage devices at its IT offices in Maryland.

Here are the seven IRS employees who could use a tutorial on hard drive-fixing:

Lois Lerner: Lerner was the Washington-based head of the IRS Exempt Organizations division until her recent resignation. Lerner originally apologized in May 2013 for targeting conservative groups, but later attested to her innocence and repeatedly pleaded the Fifth at House Oversight hearings. The House of Representatives voted in May to hold Lerner in contempt of Congress. New IRS commissioner John Koskinen testified that nobody at the IRS tried to extract any emails from a six-month backup disk after Lerner’s computer hard drive allegedly crashed in June 2011. Lerner’s hard drive was “recycled.” Lerner and her attorney husband Michael Miles live on a $2.4 million property in Bethesda, Maryland.

Nikole Flax, former chief of staff to IRS commissioner Steven Miller: Flax was a busy bureaucrat during her tenure at the IRS, where she worked for Lerner in the exempt organizations division among other roles. Flax made 31 visits to the White House between July 12, 2010 and May 8, 2013, according to White House visitor logs. Flax’s visits started in the early days of the IRS targeting program and ended just two days before the IRS scandal broke on May 10, 2013. Flax met twice in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building with Jeanne Lambrew, a top adviser to President Obama who exchanged confidential information on conservative groups with Lerner.

Flax previously worked at the Joint Committee on Taxation as a legislative counsel, but left about six years ago, sources told TheDC. Flax attended Louisiana State University. She is married to Ryan H. Flax, a litigation consultant at the Washington firm A2L Consulting and a former intellectual property lawyer at the major D.C. law firm Dickstein Shapiro. The couple live in Chevy Chase, Maryland. Reached by phone, Ryan Flax declined to comment for this report, telling TheDC that he is “not really a part of this [controversy].”

Michelle Eldridge, IRS national media relations chief: This 23-year IRS veteran was tasked with defending the IRS when it came under scrutiny in 2012 for whistleblower reprisal from its inspector general and from Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, who Lerner tried to target, and when it was revealed in 2013 that the agency leaked confidential information on conservative groups to the liberal nonprofit ProPublica. Eldridge visited the White House on March 22, 2010, to meet with Vice President Joe Biden’s scheduling director Alex Hornbrook.

“Eldridge leads the IRS’ national media relations office to provide public information on key announcements and tax law changes, including new health care tax law implications and recovery act provisions,” according to a speaker bio. “As chief, national media relations, she manages the day-to-day issuance of news releases and guidance drops, handles national media inquiries, and implements communication and media strategies for key IRS initiatives, such as offshore tax compliance and the Return Preparer Initiative.”

Kimberly Kitchens, agent: Kitchens, who donated to President Obama’s 2012 campaign, worked in the IRS Exempt Organizations Rulings and Agreements office in Cincinnati in 2012, according to IRS documents. The IRS’ plague of computer crashes, therefore, was not merely confined to Washington, D.C., but also ensnared the Cincinnati office that Lerner oversaw and initially tried to blame the entire scandal on.

Nancy Heagney, agent: Another Cincinnati-based Exempt Organizations official that worked under Lerner.

Julie Chen, agent: Chen is another Exempt Organizations official, according to IRS documents.

Tyler Chumny, supervisory agent: After some confusion as to the identity of Tyler Chumney, a source informed us that he served as a Cincinnati-based contact person on at least one tax-exempt decision letter signed by Lerner.
 
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It's the only way the states can reassert their power over the National Command Authority.

But you still overlook the special interests as well as the monetary factor.

People like Bloomberg or that Steyer guy get their hooks into enough people and we end up with 16 ounce sodas and driving Chevy Volts.

A complete reset minus special interests is the only way it would work.
 
One of the few people who have worked for this pathetic agency that I can genuinely call an American hero. RIP:

TaxProf Blog: Death of Former IRS Commissioner Johnnie Walters, Refused President's Request to Audit His Enemies

He was a Republican who refused to allow Nixon to use the agency to pursue his political opposition.

Too bad we have yet to see anyone in this Administration demonstrate similar patriotism. For Obama and the Democrats, the IRS and its power is a necessary tool to intimidate and control those he views as his enemies.

I bet Nixon regretted appointing him to the post!

This is why I think we need more elected officials at the Federal level, similar to many states. For example, in Pennsylvania we elect several critical state level officials beyond the Governor, including the Adjutant General, Auditor General and Supreme Court Justices. We currently have a Republican Governor and a Democrat AG. It is frustrating and difficult at times, but the antagonistic relationship ensures one won't simply jump to do the other's bidding.
 
But you still overlook the special interests as well as the monetary factor.

People like Bloomberg or that Steyer guy get their hooks into enough people and we end up with 16 ounce sodas and driving Chevy Volts.

A complete reset minus special interests is the only way it would work.

That would still take a states' convention to execute.
 
I still think the one we have is perfectly fine.

It's an old method, but works pretty well.

The problem is the statists' have used the courts to weaken its original intent. And, our federal representatives aren't going to do anything to fix it. The path through the states' convention is clear and the only hope.
 
Everyone at the wrong end of a government decision, or the losing end of a presidential election, eventually starts talking about amending the Constitution. If you take a step back from your own petty political beliefs and these events, in the scheme of things it works, pretty much as it was designed. Snail's pace was on purpose.
 
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The problem is the statists' have used the courts to weaken its original intent. And, our federal representatives aren't going to do anything to fix it. The path through the states' convention is clear and the only hope.

I'm not disagreeing with you.

I'm just saying that unless you remove the influence from special interest groups (and that's the entire gambit) from the situation you will end up being just as bad as we are right now.

Even with States voting on it, it can/will still end up being flawed since voter registration and whatnot wildly varies from State to State. And you and I both know these things can/will be rigged.
 
Everyone at the wrong end of a government decision, or the losing end of a presidential election, eventually starts talking about amending the Constitution. If you take a step back from your own petty political beliefs and these events, in the scheme of things it works, pretty much as it was designed. Snail's pace was on purpose.

Can I hold you to these comments next time you start an anti-gun thread?
 
Everyone at the wrong end of a government decision, or the losing end of a presidential election, eventually starts talking about amending the Constitution. If you take a step back from your own petty political beliefs and these events, in the scheme of things it works, pretty much as it was designed. Snail's pace was on purpose.

But your boy has a Marxists agenda.
 
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It would be a bloody political war because the statists aren't going to relinquish the power they've gained without a blood bath. But, again, please propose another path and I'm all ears. Several areas that need to be addressed quickly are the Courts (lifetime Supreme Court appointments and the idea of judicial review), term limits, the Senate (its election needs to go back to the way the original framers had it), and taxes. Also, the size and number of federal departments (cabinets) needs to be addressed. Also, the wording of the tenth amendment needs to be strengthened. There are others that Levin mentions in his book.
 
I'll retire one day and live off of my 401k, yes. But it won't be so much that I can pay tiny capital gains tax, relative to earned income.

So how much in taxes will you owe once you retire and start living off your 401k investments?
 
I'm not disagreeing with you.
unless you remove the influence from special interest groups

I hate the fact that the elected officials have yet to figure out how to just simply say "NO". Oh, that's right because they are corrupt, self serving, greedy and filled with avarice.

The day that the ideals of the elected position return as intended, things will get better. Not until the elected official learns he is not there for personal gain, rather to be the voice of his constituents, will things get better.

Too idealistic or high of expectations, I don't think so. But, it's the people we elect that need to change their motives and desires in relation to how they behave in D.C., not the outside influences that these people are unable to say no to.
 
It would be a bloody political war because the statists aren't going to relinquish the power they've gained without a blood bath. But, again, please propose another path and I'm all ears. Several areas that need to be addressed quickly are the Courts (lifetime Supreme Court appointments and the idea of judicial review), term limits, the Senate (its election needs to go back to the way the original framers had it), and taxes. Also, the size and number of federal departments (cabinets) needs to be addressed. Also, the wording of the tenth amendment needs to be strengthened. There are others that Levin mentions in his book.

Sadly the only path that can be proposed is one I'd rather not.
 
Everyone at the wrong end of a government decision, or the losing end of a presidential election, eventually starts talking about amending the Constitution. If you take a step back from your own petty political beliefs and these events, in the scheme of things it works, pretty much as it was designed. Snail's pace was on purpose.

Actually the Republicans control the House. But, the framers of the Constitution made the assumption that our leaders would have integrity and respect for their offices. This is not anything like political disagreements of the past. When an agency as powerful as the IRS is being directed to commit criminal behavior against our citizenry then we have reached that point where the states have to reassert their authority under Article 5.
 
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I hate the fact that the elected officials have yet to figure out how to just simply say "NO". Oh, that's right because they are corrupt, self serving, greedy and filled with avarice.

The day that the ideals of the elected position return as intended, things will get better. Not until the elected official learns he is not there for personal gain, rather to be the voice of his constituents, will things get better.

Too idealistic or high of expectations, I don't think so. But, it's the people we elect that need to change their motives and desires in relation to how they behave in D.C., not the outside influences that these people are unable to say no to.

Setting aside the issue of corruption, the other challenge that elected officials face is that the special interests often appear as the true subject matter experts and spend a great deal of time educating our representatives. And our elected officials often need this education because they are woefully unprepared for the job.
 
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