Dave Hart on the football program...

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I guess if Hart has declared that it will be 2015 before we see a turnaround, then he should go ahead and cut ticket prices and refund donations for 2014, since it's a pointless year.
 
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oregonvol said:
I guess if Hart has declared that it will be 2015 before we see a turnaround, then he should go ahead and cut ticket prices and refund donations for 2014, since it's a pointless year.
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Didn't you know this already? Unwad those panties. It's good for you.
 
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oregonvol said:
I guess if Hart has declared that it will be 2015 before we see a turnaround, then he should go ahead and cut ticket prices and refund donations for 2014, since it's a pointless year.
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We HAVE seen the turnaround and see it unfolding before our eyes every day in every aspect of the program. The foundation is being built. This team this year will be better than last year's team. Next year's team will be better than this year's team. The wins are on the way because these boys are learning how to compete as men and as a team. We are finally getting the talent. How many wins will all this translate into this fall? More than we had last year, guaranteed. Stay the course. And chill, guys.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Dooley was 2 plays away from being 8-4 in his first season. (One even created a new rule.) Around here your point means absolutely squat. Let's stay consistent people...
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He was also about three months away from completely severing any and all ties with high school coaches in the state of Tennessee.
 
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theutvolunteers said:
Calm down Bosco. The man has coached one season and is recruiting nicely.
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Bosco? OL-man or DL-man?
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oregonvol said:
I guess if Hart has declared that it will be 2015 before we see a turnaround, then he should go ahead and cut ticket prices and refund donations for 2014, since it's a pointless year.
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Agree. that kind of talk shouldnt happen. THIS season is when we should see a turn around.
 
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wmcovol said:
Agree. that kind of talk shouldnt happen. THIS season is when we should see a turn around.
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Where else can you show up and tell people "you shouldn't expect us to really accomplish anything for 3 years, while you pay us millions" and have so many fools lining up to kiss your jock? UT football - greatest job in the world.
 
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oregonvol said:
Where else can you show up and tell people "you shouldn't expect us to really accomplish anything for 3 years, while you pay us millions" and have so many fools lining up to kiss your jock? UT football - greatest job in the world.
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Oskie Volum said:
Dooley was 2 plays away from being 8-4 in his first season. (One even created a new rule.) Around here your point means absolutely squat. Let's stay consistent people...
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I was there for the initial Dooley season, especially the Oregon game. Many Vol fans forget, Dooley's way out manned Volunteers had Chip Kelly's vaunted Quack Attack tied at the half. There was a total collapse the 2nd half, but da Vols man up, even when we're down.
 
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People tend to forget that there was a talent spillover into Kiffin and Dooleys teams from Fulmer. Once that talent diminished our seasons went down hill record wise. we relied on pure coaching and mediocre teams with 2-4 playmakers to win games. Dooley only knew how to keep up for the first half and win games that we were supposed to win.yeah he couldve been okay if he coached the team to success with a W in a big game like Butch did with South Carolina, but he would bring the team out and not make the correct adjustments and say go get gim guys it seemed. Not a bad personality or guy, just couldnt finish.

On the other hand, we have a man CBJ that is bringing in talent that Tennessee hasnt seen in a few long years and has a history of above average coaching. Now Im not claiming that hes the guy to get us a NC or win 5 SEC championships, hes got to prove that, but Im sure willing to give him the chance just by the face he is giving Tennessee that the program deserves in a one years time and pulling an upset last year almost two if it wasnt for a fumble. I got so sick of Dooleys were too young and they have a really good team talk. We need to see a 1-3 game improvement this year and then we can get really serious about contending with the big guys next year and so on (not that an upset couldnt happen this year but be realistic were not at the Alabama level). Dont forget what could hold this team back this year that our coaches cant change such as young Oline and alot of young other players and have reasonable expectations. But with the talent he is bringing in we should see some improvements. GBO
 
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92volalum said:
2015 will be the year for what? A nc or 7 wins.. If butch stinks it up this year 2015 may be harts last year..

Cbj best start winning some games or u think ticket sales r bad now. Its time to start showing potential if he wants to keep the fans around.
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Aesius said:
He was also about three months away from completely severing any and all ties with high school coaches in the state of Tennessee.
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Ok...sooo butt hurting coaches in what is historically one of the least talented pool of players in the region/country?? Idc tmh. People act like the guy didn't sign any Tennessee players, but he did. So obviously he didn't piss all off. Is TN HS ranks coming up..sure, but still won't be able to build a successful team around it. Won't happen for a while either. He was focusing on where he had ties, and they happened to be in highly talent pools too. Also, I really don't put much credence in HS coaches that have more to gain with getting their foot in the door. Especially when they jump on the train to get rid of the guy that doesn't kiss their pinky rings. I do put more in the mother of a current player who was a big fan of the guy, and super vocal about it. Not saying he wasn't a prick, but in business u step on toes.

Also, I don't know why people hate Dooley so much over this. Thank him for it, cause if it weren't for him being upset the HS coaches would have loved whoever we got next. So much put it on CBJ, but at the end of the day anyone that tickled their balls a bit would have made them happy cause they just want a chance they hadn't really had in who knows how long cause it's not like we've been signing a boatload of TN players historically. Not just a Dooley era deal...
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Remy said:
I was there for the initial Dooley season, especially the Oregon game. Many Vol fans forget, Dooley's way out manned Volunteers had Chip Kelly's vaunted Quack Attack tied at the half. There was a total collapse the 2nd half, but da Vols man up, even when we're down.
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And there was a rain delay that sucked the momentum out of the Vols too. When u r the one playing better than u should be that kind of delay hurts. I was at the LSU game in BR, and we went into their house, and a freak error lost it. Instead of fans being happy we held close they got butt hurt we lost. As if we were even suppose to be that close anyway. Also, Jefferson took the first play of the game up the gut what 80 or so yards, and the team still kept their head in it. All I know is that before and after that game the LSU fans respected the guy.

So these little signs r the ones I think of when people say the guy was an incompetent coach. If he were he wouldn't have been able to do any of that. Did he have a bad situation to climb out of...yes..but there were glimpses I saw that told me there was potential once the situation got better. Most think I'm crazy, but I count on that intuition in my professional life. Has done me great there, so I stick to that over a bunch of keyboard coaches.

Anyway, '11 was bad in not staying in the game. All wanted us to stay in the games going into '12. We did that with many games that yr, but many on here were hoping to see us lose to get Gruden so they didn't see any of it.

The newest argument forever on here will be who walked into a worse situation. Imho Dooley by a long shot. CBJ just followed up 1 coach, and just having to fix up the football program. With breaking in a new bldg that Dooley had to spend time on, and just sell the blueprints for. Dooley had to help clean up yrs and yrs of bad mismanagement in the AD as a whole not just the football program. That's where so many miss on my argument. Kiffin blew up the popsicle stand, and it was a few yrs after a national economic collapse too. Way different situations, and CBJ is fully benefiting from Dooley being the stop gap coach.

Anyway, having a new AD come in the 2nd year wasn't helpful for Dooley. Imo Hart doesn't do what is best for UT, because he cares about what's best for UT first, but he wants/needs it to do well cause it's best for him. This is why I'm in the camp that if CBJ doesn't end up cutting it..whenever yrs from now...both Hart and him will need to go at the same time. Hire a new AD, and have him bring in his guy from the get go. Not having a new guy trying to figure a way to get rid of the guy he inherited to make his mark.

All imho that's all...
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Oskie Volum said:
And there was a rain delay that sucked the momentum out of the Vols too. When u r the one playing better than u should be that kind of delay hurts. I was at the LSU game in BR, and we went into their house, and a freak error lost it. Instead of fans being happy we held close they got butt hurt we lost. As if we were even suppose to be that close anyway. Also, Jefferson took the first play of the game up the gut what 80 or so yards, and the team still kept their head in it. All I know is that before and after that game the LSU fans respected the guy.

So these little signs r the ones I think of when people say the guy was an incompetent coach. If he were he wouldn't have been able to do any of that. Did he have a bad situation to climb out of...yes..but there were glimpses I saw that told me there was potential once the situation got better. Most think I'm crazy, but I count on that intuition in my professional life. Has done me great there, so I stick to that over a bunch of keyboard coaches.

Anyway, '11 was bad in not staying in the game. All wanted us to stay in the games going into '12. We did that with many games that yr, but many on here were hoping to see us lose to get Gruden so they didn't see any of it.

The newest argument forever on here will be who walked into a worse situation. Imho Dooley by a long shot. CBJ just followed up 1 coach, and just having to fix up the football program. With breaking in a new bldg that Dooley had to spend time on, and just sell the blueprints for. Dooley had to help clean up yrs and yrs of bad mismanagement in the AD as a whole not just the football program. That's where so many miss on my argument. Kiffin blew up the popsicle stand, and it was a few yrs after a national economic collapse too. Way different situations, and CBJ is fully benefiting from Dooley being the stop gap coach.

Anyway, having a new AD come in the 2nd year wasn't helpful for Dooley. Imo Hart doesn't do what is best for UT, because he cares about what's best for UT first, but he wants/needs it to do well cause it's best for him. This is why I'm in the camp that if CBJ doesn't end up cutting it..whenever yrs from now...both Hart and him will need to go at the same time. Hire a new AD, and have him bring in his guy from the get go. Not having a new guy trying to figure a way to get rid of the guy he inherited to make his mark.

All imho that's all...
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Derek, is that you??
 
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GrowVol said:
Oh ok......it's the off season....with 20 yr olds...we need more "I heard Gruden got gas at a Pilot" "Saban said this about Butch" "Butch doesn't have zits like me...is a good coach" threads>..really? drink your milk
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"That's a fine looking high horse, what you got in the stable?"
 
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Mods, can we finally have a squelch button on here for certain members so we don't repeat the mistake of wasting our time reading their posts?

Oskie Volum said:
And there was a rain delay that sucked the momentum out of the Vols too. When u r the one playing better than u should be that kind of delay hurts. I was at the LSU game in BR, and we went into their house, and a freak error lost it. Instead of fans being happy we held close they got butt hurt we lost. As if we were even suppose to be that close anyway. Also, Jefferson took the first play of the game up the gut what 80 or so yards, and the team still kept their head in it. All I know is that before and after that game the LSU fans respected the guy.

So these little signs r the ones I think of when people say the guy was an incompetent coach. If he were he wouldn't have been able to do any of that. Did he have a bad situation to climb out of...yes..but there were glimpses I saw that told me there was potential once the situation got better. Most think I'm crazy, but I count on that intuition in my professional life. Has done me great there, so I stick to that over a bunch of keyboard coaches.

Anyway, '11 was bad in not staying in the game. All wanted us to stay in the games going into '12. We did that with many games that yr, but many on here were hoping to see us lose to get Gruden so they didn't see any of it.

The newest argument forever on here will be who walked into a worse situation. Imho Dooley by a long shot. CBJ just followed up 1 coach, and just having to fix up the football program. With breaking in a new bldg that Dooley had to spend time on, and just sell the blueprints for. Dooley had to help clean up yrs and yrs of bad mismanagement in the AD as a whole not just the football program. That's where so many miss on my argument. Kiffin blew up the popsicle stand, and it was a few yrs after a national economic collapse too. Way different situations, and CBJ is fully benefiting from Dooley being the stop gap coach.

Anyway, having a new AD come in the 2nd year wasn't helpful for Dooley. Imo Hart doesn't do what is best for UT, because he cares about what's best for UT first, but he wants/needs it to do well cause it's best for him. This is why I'm in the camp that if CBJ doesn't end up cutting it..whenever yrs from now...both Hart and him will need to go at the same time. Hire a new AD, and have him bring in his guy from the get go. Not having a new guy trying to figure a way to get rid of the guy he inherited to make his mark.

All imho that's all...
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