Grading coaching hires of 2014

#51
#51
butchna said:
Love cancer rationales when it comes to Zo...my wife fought and beat cancer too...then she lost. In between the victory and the end,she lived her life accountable and did things honorable,hence the standing room only attendance at the funeral...a brave fight against something terrible doesn't dismiss personal responsibility in dealing with other people...Zo had a chance to deliver his legacy in Tennessee coaching lore...he failed.
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sorry for your loss.
 
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#52
#52
butchna said:
Love cancer rationales when it comes to Zo...my wife fought and beat cancer too...then she lost. In between the victory and the end,she lived her life accountable and did things honorable,hence the standing room only attendance at the funeral...a brave fight against something terrible doesn't dismiss personal responsibility in dealing with other people...Zo had a chance to deliver his legacy in Tennessee coaching lore...he failed.
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Lefteye said:
Sorry for you loss Butchna. Lost my dad to it not too long ago also. :hi:
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Thanks...:hi:...got my mother and father before my wife...ugly disease.
 
#53
#53
I don't see what the big deal is about fans wanting a better coach this past season. It's not like the fans took out a petition to have him fired or anything. :crazy:
 
#54
#54
Once Cal gets tired of their coach, all they have to do is use the "UT Blueprint" to get rid of him.
 
#55
#55
Does anyone know what the terms of Martin's contract are at Cal? I have looked for it, but can't find it. I am interested in knowing how much they are paying him compared to what UT had offered.
 
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gunner said:
Does anyone know what the terms of Martin's contract are at Cal? I have looked for it, but can't find it. I am interested in knowing how much they are paying him compared to what UT had offered.
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Had heard his year 1 salary would be around $1.8m and they pay his UT buyout, after that it'll go up to ~$2m
 
#57
#57
jknox33 said:
He didn't leave because he couldn't handle the pressure. That's not to say he didn't know the fan base was divided. Part of it was for the well being of his family due to a small idiotic part of our fan base. The other was the lack of support from the administration. I don't really know what to tell you if you really believe he left because fans gave him "pressure" or expectation. Thats the nature of the business. I admire the man because when he left, he still spoke highly of the University, fans and administration.
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So his family was in eminent danger? Or they had to hear their daddy taking flack because he underachieved and that wasn't good for them? I.e. pressure.
 
#58
#58
bleedingTNorange said:
It's an easy go to for people who disliked him, but it's comical because it shows how clueless they are.

Martin was coming back to Tennessee after the petition, after the questions, after the Sweet 16, and after Marquette....the reason Zo left was because of the new contract offered to him.

He could read between the lines that Hart wasn't willing to buy in long term, and that with 1 bad year he would be fired after the very next season, that's how the contract read. So he did what was best financially and job security wise and he went to Cal where regardless of outcome he is safe for another 3-4 years minimum.

It had nothing to do with not being able to handle the stress of 30k fans signing a petition, the guy fought and beat cancer, that reasoning is a joke.

Now let me be clear, I'm not saying Hart made the wrong move, nobody can say so either way at this point. In 3-4 years we can look back though and should be able to tell if it was the right move or not.
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This is bull****. The guy got offered a contract commensurate with his performance and more than deserved by someone who was openly shopping his services.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is bull****. The guy got offered a contract commensurate with his performance and more than deserved by someone who was openly shopping his services.
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Finish top 5 every year in the league, being only 1/3 SEC coaches to make the Sweet 16 since he's been at Tennessee, doesn't equal being paid the 9-10 best in the league.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Finish top 5 every year in the league, being only 1/3 SEC coaches to make the Sweet 16 since he's been at Tennessee, doesn't equal being paid the 9-10 best in the league.
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I get what you are saying about pay. Finish top 5 and get paid 9/10, but should Tennessee pay more because other schools overpaid for a bad coach?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Finish top 5 every year in the league, being only 1/3 SEC coaches to make the Sweet 16 since he's been at Tennessee, doesn't equal being paid the 9-10 best in the league.
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Zo leaving appears to have worked out to the best for both parties. Odds are Zo would be fired next season which would cost TN buyout pay. Zo got a raise and going to a school that does not have the expectations that TN does. IMO, the coaching change was a win-win.
 
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#62
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If Martin took the 1.8 he would have moved up a couple spots. Grant, F. Martin, and anderson are all overpaid. He was offered a fair salary imo. If admin really wanted him the buyout could have been different. I will still stick to my story Martin has been looking for a way out after first year.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
So his family was in eminent danger? Or they had to hear their daddy taking flack because he underachieved and that wasn't good for them? I.e. pressure.
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His family was not in eminent danger. They did take their unfair share if harassment though. I don't know about you, but I feel I can take a lot from others. However, when it comes to my family I will always try to do what is best for them. CCM could handle the pressure because that's what this profession is made up of, but his priority of his family also came before his profession.

CCM felt overwhelming love from the fan base during their run. Whatever fan base pressures he felt ultimately didn't make him leave. As I've stated before, it was a mixture of things and the right opportunity. We may not see it the same, but a Sweet 16 appearance is not considered underachieving IMO.
 
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#65
#65
"The question becomes how long it'll take for Martin to establish inroads on the West Coast, where he doesn't yet have strong connections."

Umm since he 1) makes no effort to build connections with anyone, and 2) just doesn't work very hard, then I'm guessing Goodman will have to revisit this article in 3 years when Cal fans are wanting him fired.

Cal hires Tennessee's Cuonzo Martin as men's basketball coach - SFGate
 
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Stoked said:
And hopefully the fans aren't talking bad about him he might get his feelings hurt and leave.
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I've asked this before--was there an article in which CCM talked about getting his feelings hurt? I keep hearing that but don't remember reading that anywhere but I very well could have missed it.
 
#68
#68
I keep hearing "better fit" regarding CDT. Seems coded in a way. Perhaps not. Just a thought that pops up every time I see it written.
 
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SlyStone said:
I keep hearing "better fit" regarding CDT. Seems coded in a way. Perhaps not. Just a thought that pops up every time I see it written.
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Coded how? I have taken it to mean that CDT likes to play a pressing/zone/man amoeba type of defense coupled with a pick and roll style offense that may not require traditional bigs or pgs.

Are you suggesting folks are putting on the orange shades when they say a kid is a better fit for DT's system?
 
#71
#71
bigchief said:
someone is drinking the kool-aid:sick:
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If you expect a line up of:

Chiles / Mostella
Hubbs / Punter
Richardson / Moore
Reece / Carmichael
McKnight / ?

To win between 15-20 games.

I would expect a lineup of:

Thompson / Austin
Hubbs / Moore / Cornish
Richardson / Moore
Reece / Davis / Cofer
Okorah / Turman

To win between 15-20 games. I would probably put this line up closer to the 20 game mark.
 
#73
#73
Martin was butt hurt about the fans wanting Pearl back, UT could have offered him 2 million a year, and he would have still been looking for a way out.
 
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#74
#74
A coach with a national championship just agreed to 2.2. I don't think we should base "market value" off what SEC schools are willing to pay. If Arky, Vandy, Bama and SC want to overpay feel free. But I for one am glad DH didn't fall into the trap.
 
#75
#75
Lefteye said:
A coach with a national championship just agreed to 2.2. I don't think we should base "market value" off what SEC schools are willing to pay. If Arky, Vandy, Bama and SC want to overpay feel free. But I for one am glad DH didn't fall into the trap.
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Huh?

Assuming you're talking about Ollie, his new deal is a $3m/yr average.
 
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