Grading coaching hires of 2014

#26
#26
tnwayback said:
I don't know what ESPN Goodman means by swing and miss, White wanted to play hard ball and ended up still working for pocket change. Hart knew what he was doing and got the best end of the deal by far for Tennessee.
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Hart ain't got no time for clowns, we serious mane! :hi:
 
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Stoked said:
Nah, are you ever going to get over your man crush for a coach that left us because he couldn't handle pressure from the fans?
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I thought you had more of a grasp on reality than SeniorDrill, but judging from you childish and pathetic response I apparently was wrong.

You'll be on and off the DonnieTrain no less than 5 times next year, book it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I thought you had more of a grasp on reality than SeniorDrill, but judging from you childish and pathetic response I apparently was wrong.

You'll be on and off the DonnieTrain no less than 5 times next year, book it.
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You have a gambling problem so we can make a bet on this
 
#30
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Stoked said:
You have a gambling problem so we can make a bet on this
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If we do that you'll just purposely not post it on here, but secretly you'll be firing up the NotStoked4Donnie username.

However by your own admission you think next years squad is a 20 win team, so if they don't reach that point you will at least start to question things.
 
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Stoked said:
Nah, are you ever going to get over your man crush for a coach that left us because he couldn't handle pressure from the fans?
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He didn't leave because he couldn't handle the pressure. That's not to say he didn't know the fan base was divided. Part of it was for the well being of his family due to a small idiotic part of our fan base. The other was the lack of support from the administration. I don't really know what to tell you if you really believe he left because fans gave him "pressure" or expectation. Thats the nature of the business. I admire the man because when he left, he still spoke highly of the University, fans and administration.
 
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jknox33 said:
He didn't leave because he couldn't handle the pressure. That's not to say he didn't know the fan base was divided. Part of it was for the well being of his family due to a small idiotic part of our fan base. The other was the lack of support from the administration. I don't really know what to tell you if you really believe he left because fans gave him "pressure" or expectation. Thats the nature of the business. I admire the man because when he left, he still spoke highly of the University, fans and administration.
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It's an easy go to for people who disliked him, but it's comical because it shows how clueless they are.

Martin was coming back to Tennessee after the petition, after the questions, after the Sweet 16, and after Marquette....the reason Zo left was because of the new contract offered to him.

He could read between the lines that Hart wasn't willing to buy in long term, and that with 1 bad year he would be fired after the very next season, that's how the contract read. So he did what was best financially and job security wise and he went to Cal where regardless of outcome he is safe for another 3-4 years minimum.

It had nothing to do with not being able to handle the stress of 30k fans signing a petition, the guy fought and beat cancer, that reasoning is a joke.

Now let me be clear, I'm not saying Hart made the wrong move, nobody can say so either way at this point. In 3-4 years we can look back though and should be able to tell if it was the right move or not.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If we do that you'll just purposely not post it on here, but secretly you'll be firing up the NotStoked4Donnie username.
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I always said I'd stick with Martin until he proved me otherwise. Well last year did it for me. Yeah I might have jumped back on while he made his little run but that's because he actually showed consistency, emotion, and like he actually wanted to coach here. For 2 years I defended him, telling everyone that he'd get things turned around and I was wrong about that. I gave him props for his run, and if he actually showed that he cared about the Vols many of the other fans would have gotten behind him. Don't act like you weren't getting involved in the midseason "coaching search" threads when it looked like we were about to miss the tourney.
 
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#35
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Stoked said:
I always said I'd stick with Martin until he proved me otherwise. Well last year did it for me. Yeah I might have jumped back on while he made his little run but then I jumped back off again when he decided to interview at Marquette. Oh but then when he removed his name I was full Zo, I was on my way to the tattoo shop for my Stoked4Zo tat, when I heard about him leaving for Cal. That's when I realized the guy was a horrible coach and would never get it done here. However if he were to come back, I'm gonna see if the deposit I put down on that tat is still good so I can finally get it done.
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:hi:
 
#37
#37
Love cancer rationales when it comes to Zo...my wife fought and beat cancer too...then she lost. In between the victory and the end,she lived her life accountable and did things honorable,hence the standing room only attendance at the funeral...a brave fight against something terrible doesn't dismiss personal responsibility in dealing with other people...Zo had a chance to deliver his legacy in Tennessee coaching lore...he failed.
 
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#38
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's an easy go to for people who disliked him, but it's comical because it shows how clueless they are.

Martin was coming back to Tennessee after the petition, after the questions, after the Sweet 16, and after Marquette....the reason Zo left was because of the new contract offered to him.

He could read between the lines that Hart wasn't willing to buy in long term, and that with 1 bad year he would be fired after the very next season, that's how the contract read. So he did what was best financially and job security wise and he went to Cal where regardless of outcome he is safe for another 3-4 years minimum.

It had nothing to do with not being able to handle the stress of 30k fans signing a petition, the guy fought and beat cancer, that reasoning is a joke.

Now let me be clear, I'm not saying Hart made the wrong move, nobody can say so either way at this point. In 3-4 years we can look back though and should be able to tell if it was the right move or not.
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What does fighting and beating cancer have to do with anything? I have a friend that beat the exact same kind of cancer and is far from a tough individual....there has also been several tough fighters that have lost the battle with cancer.
 
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#39
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volbeast33 said:
What does fighting and beating cancer have to do with anything? I have a friend that beat the exact same kind of cancer and is far from a tough individual....there has also been several tough fighters that have lost the battle with cancer.
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If that's all you took from my post I'm sorry :thumbsup:
 
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While BTO is much more knowledgeable of UT bball than myself, when Stokes declared for the NBA the closest thing CCM would have had to a post game would have been Cofer. I would have been very pleasantly surprised for UT to have won 20 games without the coaching change. I will also be very pleasantly surprised if UT wins 20 games next season with the coaching change.
 
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walkenvol said:
While BTO is much more knowledgeable of UT bball than myself, when Stokes declared for the NBA the closest thing CCM would have had to a post game would have been Cofer. I would have been very pleasantly surprised for UT to have won 20 games without the coaching change. I will also be very pleasantly surprised if UT wins 20 games next season with the coaching change.
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I am not Nostradamus, it was simply my opinion, nobody will know how next season would've played out. I think there's a possibility Stokes would've returned if Martin had told him he was returning, but he knew what was going on. There's also a chance Martin could've landed an impact grad transfer or two, and changed the outlook of the front court.

It's all pointless now as I've said nobody knows how it would've played, my point wasn't even really what would or wouldn't have transpired, but that my opinion of next year under Zo wasn't a .500 team and I am hoping it's not under Tyndall. That's all.
 
#42
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bleedingTNorange said:
:hi:
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Who cares how many times I "jumped on and off the Cuonzo" wagon. Half of the fans on the board did the same thing. Call me what you want but at least I'm not disrespectful to every poster and talk down to every poster and think I'm above every poster. It seems like you try your hardest and go out of your way to make other people on here feel dumb. Idk if it makes you feel better about yourself or what. But if a poster disagrees with you, you will argue with them for pages and pages just to try to force your opinions down their throats. You bring a lot of knowledge and info to the thread but other than that hardly anyone on here can stand you because you are so arrogant and egotistical.

Edit: and you remind me of Wes Rucker and that's not a compliment
 
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Stoked said:
Who cares how many times I "jumped on and off the Cuonzo" wagon. Half of the fans on the board did the same thing.
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That's not true, most made up their minds and stuck with it. You don't have to be fully on board, you can take a wait and see approach and decide after a good enough sample size. You told everyone that bashed Zo how wrong they were for 2 years, then jumped off the ship and called me and the other couple still supporting Martin all sorts of names, so curb the "I don't disrespect crap". You're still going on in this very thread about a man crush or some crap, how respectful of you. Then they go on a run and you're full Zo again talking about how he proved you wrong and this is all you ever wanted to see and how he deserves to remain the coach here. Now he leaves and it's back to, I told you he wasn't the man for the job and couldn't handle the pressure of coaching Tennessee.


I get you're an in the moment kinda guy apparently, but my advice for you with Tyndall would be take a step back and maybe remain optimistic but not full donnie. You're already hyping how he's gonna win 20 games and make the NCAAT next year, give the guy a year or two and then decide.

Edit: even more "respect" coming from you, I'm so envious
 
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#45
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's an easy go to for people who disliked him, but it's comical because it shows how clueless they are.

Martin was coming back to Tennessee after the petition, after the questions, after the Sweet 16, and after Marquette....the reason Zo left was because of the new contract offered to him.

He could read between the lines that Hart wasn't willing to buy in long term, and that with 1 bad year he would be fired after the very next season, that's how the contract read. So he did what was best financially and job security wise and he went to Cal where regardless of outcome he is safe for another 3-4 years minimum.

It had nothing to do with not being able to handle the stress of 30k fans signing a petition, the guy fought and beat cancer, that reasoning is a joke.

Now let me be clear, I'm not saying Hart made the wrong move, nobody can say so either way at this point. In 3-4 years we can look back though and should be able to tell if it was the right move or not.
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Spot on.
 
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My issues with CCM were that his teams always seemed to play down to the competition/underachieve and the style of play was just so boring, at least until the last 10 games of the season + tourney run.

2011-2012: Losses to Oakland, Austin Peay, Charleston, and a bad Georgia team (this becomes a running theme) with close wins at home against UNC-Ashville and ETSU (Go Bucs... except when you play UT.) Lose to MTSU at home in NIT Round 2.

2012-2013: Losing to Georgetown by 1 when you hold a team to 37 points in a game that set offensive basketball back to the Four Corners Era. A pair of losses to a bad Georgia team (again), pair of losses to a meh Ole Miss team, and a variety of underwhelming wins against mediocre (being generous) SEC schools culminating with a loss to Bama in the SEC tourney and loss to Mercer at home in the opening round of the NIT.

Much the same type crap this past year until the last 10 or so games, when CCM finally figured out Stokes is a stud and kindly suggested to Jordan that perhaps occasionally prior to lofting a 35 ft 3 pointer he could, when convenient, try to pass the ball into the post to Stokes. Assists can be fun too! (OK, sorry for the sarcasm.... kinda.)

Anyway, I don't have any ill will towards CCM. By all accounts he was a good man of strong faith who decided that his professional life was taking him elsewhere. Many of us on this board have had the same experience in life. God Bless and good luck. I'm happy to have someone at UT who wants to be there, and no one can argue that Donnie Knoxville doesn't look like a man happy to be here in every single interview he does.
 
#50
#50
butchna said:
Love cancer rationales when it comes to Zo...my wife fought and beat cancer too...then she lost. In between the victory and the end,she lived her life accountable and did things honorable,hence the standing room only attendance at the funeral...a brave fight against something terrible doesn't dismiss personal responsibility in dealing with other people...Zo had a chance to deliver his legacy in Tennessee coaching lore...he failed.
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Sorry for you loss Butchna. Lost my dad to it not too long ago also. :hi:
 
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