Tyndall on the signees leaving.

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BigZiti09 said:
It's only a DA question because you know the answer and you don't like it.

I can't believe that a guy who covers Louisiana recruiting as his job thinks more highly of this kid than Rob Lewis does. Shocker.

Never recruited by LSU. Yet UCLA wants him.....
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So LSU has never passed on an instate kid that turned out to be good? Interesting.

Did you happen to catch the schools reaching out/offering Austin.

Like I said, I will gladly compare offer lists of our 4 signees verse their replacements when this is all done. Right now we're hoping we can steal a guy away from Western Kentucky that played at IUPUI.
 
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This quote does make me feel better...

I'm not sure how we're going to approach it yet, but if we were to sign as many as six we would space it out. We would look to take a couple of fifth-year transfers, maybe a couple of junior college players and then maybe two freshmen. We would look to mix it up somehow, I don't think it would be wise to try and jump start things by bringing in six juco guys, but then it's also probably not a good idea to try and bring in six freshman in one class.

We'll look to stagger it somehow, but if we can get the right six guys, we'll take that many. If we can only get three or four we feel really good about being able to help us, then we'll carry those extra spots over into the next class.

I won't sign a guy just to fill a spot when in the back of my mind I might be wondering if he's really good enough to help us. If you do that you only end up hurting yourself down the road.
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For BTO

I see your point, but this isnt exactly apples and apples. Both of those places fired their coaches for sucking and replaced them with a big name coach. We didn't do either of those, and before you argue I think it makes a big difference. When players lose the guy they know they gravitate to a coach they have at least heard of. Tyndall will be fine.
 
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jp1 said:
For BTO

I see your point, but this isnt exactly apples and apples. Both of those places fired their coaches for sucking and replaced them with a big name coach. We didn't do either of those, and before you argue I think it makes a big difference. When players lose the guy they know they gravitate to a coach they have at least heard of. Tyndall will be fine.
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I agree Tyndall will likely be fine, my biggest beef has been that it appeared he was gonna do what he's done elsewhere. Load up on about 10 JUCOs in the first 2 years to speed up a rebuild, and I don't think that'll work here.

He clarified in that quote that if they do take 6 it'll likely be 2 JUCO, 2 grad transfers, and 2 freshman. That would be ideal IMO

Woukd give you 4 scholarships to offer at least in each of the next couple classes.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree Tyndall will likely be fine, my biggest beef has been that it appeared he was gonna do what he's done elsewhere. Load up on about 10 JUCOs in the first 2 years to speed up a rebuild, and I don't think that'll work here.

He clarified in that quote that if they do take 6 it'll likely be 2 JUCO, 2 grad transfers, and 2 freshman. That would be ideal IMO

Woukd give you 4 scholarships to offer at least in each of the next couple classes.
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Totally agree. Maybe he can talk Richardson into redshirting.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So LSU has never passed on an instate kid that turned out to be good? Interesting.

Did you happen to catch the schools reaching out/offering Austin.

Like I said, I will gladly compare offer lists of our 4 signees verse their replacements when this is all done. Right now we're hoping we can steal a guy away from Western Kentucky that played at IUPUI.
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You want to compare offer lists but you don't want to address the fact that he doesn't have an LSU offer or that Rob Lewis doesn't think he's a big loss at all. We'll see where Cornish ends up. Houston or SMU is my guess. Not UCLA. Hard to think a kid with a committable
offer to UCLA will opt to go to SMU or Houston.

Bottom line is that we had 4 signees which is a large class and the class wasn't ranked. It wasn't a good class. It just wasn't. It was average and it's not worth gnashing teeth over.

Will Tyndall's class be much better? Probably not, but he needs to get some guys in here that are his guys and honestly I don't think he will have trouble replacing the signees.

I don't think Turman or Cornish would have seen much PT in year one.
 
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BTO............. Do you want CDT to succeed or fail at UT?

Seems like you would defend CCM even if he had ran naked to midcourt in the middle of a game. Now, you can't wait to share anything that will cast CDT in a bad light and perhaps give you some kind of vindication that Martin was some kind of great coach. I know you know enough about basketball that you knew he was struggling with this program as a coach.

This may be a step back from where we were, but I am hoping it will be a giant leap forward in the future compared to where we were going.

Wanted to posts this here thinking you might see it. Would really like to know. You say he will likely be fine but I am wondering how sincere you really are about that.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You want to compare offer lists but you don't want to address the fact that he doesn't have an LSU offer or that Rob Lewis doesn't think he's a big loss at all. We'll see where Cornish ends up. Houston or SMU is my guess. Not UCLA. Hard to think a kid with a committable
offer to UCLA will opt to go to SMU or Houston.

Bottom line is that we had 4 signees which is a large class and the class wasn't ranked. It wasn't a good class. It just wasn't. It was average and it's not worth gnashing teeth over.

Will Tyndall's class be much better? Probably not, but he needs to get some guys in here that are his guys and honestly I don't think he will have trouble replacing the signees.

I don't think Turman or Cornish would have seen much PT in year one.
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I disagree, but that's ok :)
 
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Relax guys, this is no big deal. Honestly, I was never impressed with the majority of Cuonzos recruits. Its not like we lost a bunch of five stars. Based on Cuonzo recruiting, we probably lost one good player, one mediocre player, and two players that probably would have had to transfer eventually anyway. If we are upset about losing players off the #41 ranked recruiting class then we don't have our priorities in order. I don't know for certain if Donnie T will get us to the promiseland but based on three years of recruiting I am fairly certain Cuonzo was not gonna do it. Bruce Pearl showed us Tennessee can be great, I want a coach with the same mindset.
 
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JacketVol said:
BTO............. Do you want CDT to succeed or fail at UT?

Seems like you would defend CCM even if he had ran naked to midcourt in the middle of a game. Now, you can't wait to share anything that will cast CDT in a bad light and perhaps give you some kind of vindication that Martin was some kind of great coach. I know you know enough about basketball that you knew he was struggling with this program as a coach.

This may be a step back from where we were, but I am hoping it will be a giant leap forward in the future compared to where we were going.

Wanted to posts this here thinking you might see it. Would really like to know. You say he will likely be fine but I am wondering how sincere you really are about that.
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I hope he wins multi national championships here and has a statue build outside of TBA. How come those that were critical of CCM's philosophy didn't have their "fan card" questioned?

It's the same thing everytime there's a new hire, go look at the talk about Dooley when he was hired. The majority of the board was all on board thinking he was gonna bring UT back to the promised land and be the best thing since sliced bread.

It happens with every hire, it's like some rule that you have to blindly support the new coach or you're not a VFL.

I hope to everything he does great here, and like I said above win multiple championships. I just am not real fond of how it appeared he was gonna do things, bringing in 5+ JUCOs in year 1. However he has since clarified somewhat what his plan is and it's a bit more appealing. I still question if he can land 5-6 SEC level players at this point of the recruiting season, but maybe he's got a better eye for talent than other coaches.

As I've already said, if he wins doing it this way I will tip my cap to him and admit that I was wrong, and be happy to do so.
 
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Was not questioning your fan card. But, we gave Martin three years and it has been two days. Seen tons of negative but very little positive at all. I always liked getting my players and sometimes easier to take that step back to have long term success.
 
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Cornish might have trouble playing soon at SMU. They are getting this guy named Mudiay, and I have heard he is pretty good. Plus, they have Nic Moore and Keith Frazier returning. In a strange way, he may get a better chance at UCLA because of their losses (if they indeed offered).
 
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Everyone may have has other choices to be our head coach, but for now DT is the man

Let's at least let him coach his first game before bringing out the pitchforks and fire

I remember a lot of angst when Pearl was hired (instead of a proven name like Bobby Knight) but he went out sold the proves like no other and filled TBA for the first game. Then he sent the players into the stands to thank the fans for coming out. By the time he whipped Texas with his rag tag squad nearly everyone was on board
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I hope he wins multi national championships here and has a statue build outside of TBA. How come those that were critical of CCM's philosophy didn't have their "fan card" questioned?

It's the same thing everytime there's a new hire, go look at the talk about Dooley when he was hired. The majority of the board was all on board thinking he was gonna bring UT back to the promised land and be the best thing since sliced bread.

It happens with every hire, it's like some rule that you have to blindly support the new coach or you're not a VFL.

I hope to everything he does great here, and like I said above win multiple championships. I just am not real fond of how it appeared he was gonna do things, bringing in 5+ JUCOs in year 1. However he has since clarified somewhat what his plan is and it's a bit more appealing. I still question if he can land 5-6 SEC level players at this point of the recruiting season, but maybe he's got a better eye for talent than other coaches.

As I've already said, if he wins doing it this way I will tip my cap to him and admit that I was wrong, and be happy to do so.
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In less than a month, BTO has lost the coach he carried water for like no other, as well as the 4 recruits that bailed that he had spent a great deal of time grooming to be his 'inside sources.'

Seems like you guys would be a little more understanding of the level of butt-hurt he's experiencing at this point and let him be for awhile.
 
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JacketVol said:
Was not questioning your fan card. But, we gave Martin three years and it has been two days. Seen tons of negative but very little positive at all. I always liked getting my players and sometimes easier to take that step back to have long term success.
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How would keeping Q and using a scholarship on him be getting his own players?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I hope he wins multi national championships here and has a statue build outside of TBA. How come those that were critical of CCM's philosophy didn't have their "fan card" questioned?

It's the same thing everytime there's a new hire, go look at the talk about Dooley when he was hired. The majority of the board was all on board thinking he was gonna bring UT back to the promised land and be the best thing since sliced bread.

It happens with every hire, it's like some rule that you have to blindly support the new coach or you're not a VFL.

I hope to everything he does great here, and like I said above win multiple championships. I just am not real fond of how it appeared he was gonna do things, bringing in 5+ JUCOs in year 1. However he has since clarified somewhat what his plan is and it's a bit more appealing. I still question if he can land 5-6 SEC level players at this point of the recruiting season, but maybe he's got a better eye for talent than other coaches.

As I've already said, if he wins doing it this way I will tip my cap to him and admit that I was wrong, and be happy to do so.
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1. Tyndall's track record > Dooley's

2. You gave CCM the benefit of the doubt at every turn for 3 years, and now are critical of those who are optimistic in week 1 of CDT's tenure

3. I would say that you "blindly" supported CCM. Why not CDT?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
1. Tyndall's track record > Dooley's

2. You gave CCM the benefit of the doubt at every turn for 3 years, and now are critical of those who are optimistic in week 1 of CDT's tenure

3. I would say that you "blindly" supported CCM. Why not CDT?
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If you never saw me criticize Martin then you are the one who was blind, and I didn't have an account on VN when Martin was hired so nice try.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
How would keeping Q and using a scholarship on him be getting his own players?
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A guy who was leaving a team coached by Cuonzo Martin is now convinced to join a team coached by Donnie Tyndall.

In a way, Q would be becoming one of Tyndall's guys. It's a bit of a stretch but there's some merit to that I think. Maybe the relationship between CCM and Q wasn't all that great and he wants to stay here with DT.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If you never saw me criticize Martin then you are the one who was blind, and I didn't have an account on VN when Martin was hired so nice try.
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People being optimistic now won't always be optimistic. I'm not claiming that.

And I'm not narrowing it down to the time frame when Martin was hired. You were supporting him when there really wasn't much reason to do so.

You gave CCM the benefit of the doubt more than anyone on this board. FACT.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
A guy who was leaving a team coached by Cuonzo Martin is now convinced to join a team coached by Donnie Tyndall.

In a way, Q would be becoming one of Tyndall's guys. It's a bit of a stretch but there's some merit to that I think. Maybe the relationship between CCM and Q wasn't all that great and he wants to stay here with DT.
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If you're gonna use that line of thinking you could use it even more on the signees. In theory it's a lot easier for them to go elsewhere than Q, so if Tyndall is able to convince them to stay they'd be more of his own than Q. According to your line of thinking at least.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
People being optimistic now won't always be optimistic. I'm not claiming that.

And I'm not narrowing it down to the time frame when Martin was hired. You were supporting him when there really wasn't much reason to do so.

You gave CCM the benefit of the doubt more than anyone on this board. FACT.
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That's fine, because IMO Martin's philosophy was working. IMO Tyndall's philosophy isn't going to produce 19+ wins this year....FACT.
 
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and so I'll go ahead and withdraw my earlier comment, and that didn't take too long bto. Imo doesn't equal fact, especially bolded all caps FACT
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's fine, because IMO Martin's philosophy was working. IMO Tyndall's philosophy isn't going to produce 19+ wins this year....FACT.
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The lack of wins next year will have less to do with CDT's philosophy and more to do with the level of recruiting his predecessor did.
 
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