Unofficial Coaching Search Thread

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In recruiting, we are enamored with stars. Here's my take on our 6 realistic candidates and where I'd place them in a Top 200 "recruiting" board. For the record, scouting services are all opinions with only the top 25 or so recruits being more of a sure thing. I'd say the same goes with coaches. This is just a fun way to rate them.

Mick Cronin- 4* coach in the 40-50 range; solid recruiter who has had good tournament success. He's established. Easily the steadiest on the list as he's shown success over a long period. Only one Sweet 16 appearance. Battle in a once tough Big East. You know exactly what you get.

Chris Mack- 4* top 60 guy with a rising stock; he's had some steady success and can recruit fairly well. His teams compete. Great tourney runs with former coaches players, but is establishing himself very well. He's got a 5* ceiling. You know exactly what you get.

Archie Miller- 3* right outside the Top 100; young guy that is akin to having a guy "blowing up on the summer circuit;" stock is rising quickly, but is unknown if he can sustain success with a short track record. He can also recruit. Lower risk, but high reward.

Richard Pitino, Jr- 3* outside the Top 100; no tournament appearances; has had strong teams, but it's unknown if can really recruit consistently; he's like the player who shows potential but transfers to different schools for PT; he only gets his high ranking for his bloodline; not proven; high risk, high reward

Donnie Tyndall- 3* in the 125 range. He's had success in small schools and had solid seasons recently. Limited tourney success and decent recruiter for the level he's at. He's my vanilla "safe" option due to having mild success and potential to grow.

Michael White- 3* Top 150 and rising; new kid out of nowhere is showing potential against his level of competition; no tourney appearances; could end up being a Russell Westbrook 3* who pans out to play like a 5*; high risk, high reward.

Of course, guys like Shaka and Marshall are the 5* guys everyone is clamoring over and wants.
 
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I actually like Cronin more than Mack. I like that he rebuilt a program and is doing well. That article seemed to indicate he was interested in us, but we were not interested in him.
 
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jknox33 said:
In recruiting, we are enamored with stars. Here's my take on our 6 realistic candidates and where I'd place them in a Top 200 "recruiting" board. For the record, scouting services are all opinions with only the top 25 or so recruits being more of a sure thing. I'd say the same goes with coaches. This is just a fun way to rate them.

Mick Cronin- 4* coach in the 40-50 range; solid recruiter who has had good tournament success. He's established. Easily the steadiest on the list as he's shown success over a long period. Only one Sweet 16 appearance. Battle in a once tough Big East. You know exactly what you get.

Chris Mack- 4* top 60 guy with a rising stock; he's had some steady success and can recruit fairly well. His teams compete. Great tourney runs with former coaches players, but is establishing himself very well. He's got a 5* ceiling. You know exactly what you get.

Archie Miller- 3* right outside the Top 100; young guy that is akin to having a guy "blowing up on the summer circuit;" stock is rising quickly, but is unknown if he can sustain success with a short track record. He can also recruit. Lower risk, but high reward.

Richard Pitino, Jr- 3* outside the Top 100; no tournament appearances; has had strong teams, but it's unknown if can really recruit consistently; he's like the player who shows potential but transfers to different schools for PT; he only gets his high ranking for his bloodline; not proven; high risk, high reward

Donnie Tyndall- 3* in the 125 range. He's had success in small schools and had solid seasons recently. Limited tourney success and decent recruiter for the level he's at. He's my vanilla "safe" option due to having mild success and potential to grow.

Michael White- 3* Top 150 and rising; new kid out of nowhere is showing potential against his level of competition; no tourney appearances; could end up being a Russell Westbrook 3* who pans out to play like a 5*; high risk, high reward.

Of course, guys like Shaka and Marshall are the 5* guys everyone is clamoring over and wants.
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Wait, so where are the 2* options that Butch Jones and staff would find who hold no other offers and we all scream are very under rated? :)
 
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I dont think money is an issue. It's the amount of what we are willing to pay for a coach and certain demands/expectations.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Wait, so where are the 2* options that Butch Jones and staff would find who hold no other offers and we all scream are very under rated? :)
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Will Wade- 2* lol...actually he's one of those 2* guys that we have film on but haven't evaluated yet because there's my enough tape. There is talent though.
 
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Maxwell said:
It is no accident that 3 of the most winning coaches in Tennessee basketball lore had very winning ways before they arrived. J Greene had won over 70 % of his games before arriving. Pearl and Mears had both won over 80%. That is why I find it unacceptable behavior on Hart's part to bargain shop for a coach that is likely doomed for failure. If he does not have the money to get Marshall or Smart ( or if they will not come ), then I think a more proven coach at a smaller school that has won 70 to 80 % of their games is what we should be looking for. If the name is from left field and he has won around 85% of his games ( as both Mears and Pearl did) then I am willing to try that coach.
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Max.... excellent avi. Tennessee orange too.:good!:
 
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jknox33 said:
In recruiting, we are enamored with stars. Here's my take on our 6 realistic candidates and where I'd place them in a Top 200 "recruiting" board. For the record, scouting services are all opinions with only the top 25 or so recruits being more of a sure thing. I'd say the same goes with coaches. This is just a fun way to rate them.

Mick Cronin- 4* coach in the 40-50 range; solid recruiter who has had good tournament success. He's established. Easily the steadiest on the list as he's shown success over a long period. Only one Sweet 16 appearance. Battle in a once tough Big East. You know exactly what you get.

Chris Mack- 4* top 60 guy with a rising stock; he's had some steady success and can recruit fairly well. His teams compete. Great tourney runs with former coaches players, but is establishing himself very well. He's got a 5* ceiling. You know exactly what you get.

Archie Miller- 3* right outside the Top 100; young guy that is akin to having a guy "blowing up on the summer circuit;" stock is rising quickly, but is unknown if he can sustain success with a short track record. He can also recruit. Lower risk, but high reward.

Richard Pitino, Jr- 3* outside the Top 100; no tournament appearances; has had strong teams, but it's unknown if can really recruit consistently; he's like the player who shows potential but transfers to different schools for PT; he only gets his high ranking for his bloodline; not proven; high risk, high reward

Donnie Tyndall- 3* in the 125 range. He's had success in small schools and had solid seasons recently. Limited tourney success and decent recruiter for the level he's at. He's my vanilla "safe" option due to having mild success and potential to grow.

Michael White- 3* Top 150 and rising; new kid out of nowhere is showing potential against his level of competition; no tourney appearances; could end up being a Russell Westbrook 3* who pans out to play like a 5*; high risk, high reward.

Of course, guys like Shaka and Marshall are the 5* guys everyone is clamoring over and wants.
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I'd have White and Tyndall above Pitino. I'd actually have Tyndall above Archie Miller too. But to me, Pitino isn't in the top 150 yet. More like a sophomore who might be a high riser next year but we just don't quite know yet.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'd have White and Tyndall above Pitino. I'd actually have Tyndall above Archie Miller too. But to me, Pitino isn't in the top 150 yet. More like a sophomore who might be a high riser next year but we just don't quite know yet.
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He's the guy that only got his high ranking from his name. The NIT was special, but you are right in that White and Tyndall deserve to be ranked higher. It's just not the way the recruiting services work at times.

For the record, I think it will be Tyndall because he is the safest and most realistic guy that does have tournament success that is jn tbe price range. Ive felt that way probably since December when Cuonzo's job was jn doubt. I do not want Pitino. White is risky, but could work out well. All that said, I'll support whoever the new hire is.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Your percentages are a bit high, especially on Jerry Green, he was probably closer to 55-60 percent, I know he was 72-70 at Oregon.

But I do like guys with 5+ years of high level winning. Guys who can bring a program out of hard times too.
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You are right about Green. I looked back and I was foggy on him. He won over 70 % at Tennessee but not before he got here. His tenure did not end well anyway. Thanks for catching me on that. Mears did win over 80 % as did Pearl.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
We've spent 36 million dollars on a practice facility and an arena renovation in the last 7 years. We were paying Coach Pearl a top 20 in the nation salary 4 years ago.

I don't understand why people continually throw this out there when it's untrue.
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Ever hear of the straw that broke the camel's back? Mike Hamilton's years of frivolous spending is now catching up with them.
 
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KoachKletus said:
In other words, size does matter. In all seriousness, UT BB does have a large following. We may not be known as a BB giant but TBA is consistently packed. If TBA held, oh lets say 25,000, my guess is that UT would still pack the place.
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It holds over 21,000 but we don't pack it but if it held 25 grand we would? That doesn't make any sense. We are huge in attendance because we have a huge arena for basketball. If you don't understand than you don't understand reality . It's not like it's been tough to get a cheap ticket to basketball lately
 
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Those big shot boosters were partly the blame for Martin leaving - those jerks should pony up the money for a guy like Marshall - You kept saying money is an issue - it should not be with these rich boosters and their planes etc. BTW Pastner wasnt on your list ?
 
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508mikey said:
Those big shot boosters were partly the blame for Martin leaving - those jerks should pony up the money for a guy like Marshall - You kept saying money is an issue - it should not be with these rich boosters and their planes etc. BTW Pastner wasnt on your list ?
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Easy to spend other peoples money isn't it
 
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