UT and other SEC Schools and Fans Racists?

#126
#126
I can't believe so many people are amazed such criticism could bring a team together so much. Player/coach relationship is special to most as coaches are like dad's away from home for many kids. If somebody is talking about your family member, whether you always agree with them or not, you rally around them.
 
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#127
#127
This team was a sweet 16 talented team. This year and last year. Cm is an average coach. He did nothing special. We went to the tourney 1 time. Cbp tool us tourney 6 years in a row. That is a special coach. We need to find another special coach that can do thd same thing here again
 
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Spartacavolus said:
what was the motivation the first 27 games to get to the dire point? Last year? Year prior?

It took dire circumstances to bring out their best as a team that was brought together due to it. There was discord and bad communication between players and players/coaches. We all saw the quotes from Martin, Stokes, Mcrae, etc. All that disappeared and they were brought together. Nothing wrong with using some extra fire as motivation.
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So, that was the purpose of the "petition"? To provide extra fire and motivation. Seems like you are rewriting history a little bit to suit your own feelings.
 
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I felt the purpose was when Cuonzo is inevitably fired, UT fans want it known they want Bruce to return. Most likely because we'd heard so much of how the Admin would never ever bring him back. The more Martin lost, the more it looked like he'd be fired, the more people signed. Once Martin started winning, people stopped signing.
 
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Dave1967 said:
Yeah the purpose was to dump CCM and rehire CBP.
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Which would never happen. I guess I'll agree with Sparta, it must have been to motivate the players, because Bruce Pearl was never, ever, going to coach at U.T. again, after his off the court "issues" including, but not limited to, his issues with the NCAA.
 
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Shock value and completely off base. The SEC is not racist. Its just easy to call it that because of the past.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
So, that was the purpose of the "petition"? To provide extra fire and motivation. Seems like you are rewriting history a little bit to suit your own feelings.
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I knew it was a matter of time.

I'm not rewriting anything. I'm telling you Martin said the team rallied around it and you want to deflect and argue. I really wish you would take that trash elsewhere.

The petition was because people were pissed and sick of his ugly ass basketball for 2.5 years with the deepest and most talented team he will ever have.
 
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Tux said:
Pat Forde has been busy fighting a campaign to impugn the reputation and name of the University of Tennessee for Cuonzo Martin leaving Tennessee. Now Frank Haith leaves Missouri for a lesser job and now Forde decided to paint with broader brush and implies that the SEC schools and their fans are racists.


Is Forde accurate?

Or is Forde just another media member with an agenda to push?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/frank-haith-merely-the-latest-african-american-coach-to-leave-sec-for-lesser-job-060826346.html?soc_src=mediacontentsharebuttons
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Forde seems to be the only one with the balls to say it. It's about time.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
that's fine if that's how you want to roll as a UT fan. Fact is though, Martin himself said the petition got them going, so tell us again how it didn't. Why did it take that for them to rally around? And if you thought the next 2 years were going to be repeat tourney visits, I guess that's your choice.

From what Martin said, one could assume no petition = no run to the ncaa. What would they have rallied around each other with if not for it? It was a huge rallying cry. Some here tried to tell you guys, but you laughed. Now, Martin himself said it, so where do you deflect now.
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Martin has too much class to get into back/forth with fans on this and certainly dose not want to create public perception that something like petition can make him quit - but given a choice between coaching at place where fans behave like that or going somewhere where that's less likely to be an issue - pretty clear what most people would prefer. It's also clear from statements of his players what kind of problem this petition was and how much the whole team resented it (players probably now feel much less of an attachment to the university because of it and that will be a problem for the next coach). By the way, when the team starts playing well has nothing to do with petitions - you can't just flip a switch (of any kind) and make someone perform - otherwise any team who wants to save their coach would do that and coaches would not get fired all over the place as often as they do. What happened with this team is that they happened to come together and started playing well later in the year and that's all there is too it (hard work often pays off eventually and it's not surprising with defensive minded teams for this to happen later in the seasons or during playoffs - you see that all the time in all sports - college or professional).
 
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drewtigeralum said:
The petition, I believe, was to bring back Bruce Pearl. Which was a non-starter from the start. At least a fire Cuonzo Martin petition would have at least been more reasonable.
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at the time of the petition, the Vols looked like they were headed to the NIT and there was no reason to believe otherwise. Hart was poking around as well. Martin was going to be fired for missing the tourney this year. Fans were ticked and wanted to vent. That's why many signed. If Martin is done and we could get Pearl, then hell yes, get him.
Nobody foresaw the run and good basketball that then occurred, along with some coaching changes that we had been waiting on since last year.
When people get angry, they'll lash out. Here. There. On a petition. Whatever. Fact is the petition never happens if this team plays last year like it should and wasn't nit bound 27 games in this year.
 
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patrick said:
that's rich....
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Does the Big 10 even have a black coach? I don't think they do. Do they consider Pitino Jr a minority because he's Italian?

Seriously though, the Big 10 isn't a bastion of racial harmony. Southern Indiana is pretty much the modern day home of the Klan.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
at the time of the petition, the Vols looked like they were headed to the NIT and there was no reason to believe otherwise. Hart was poking around as well. Martin was going to be fired for missing the tourney this year. Fans were ticked and wanted to vent. That's why many signed. If Martin is done and we could get Pearl, then hell yes, get him.
Nobody foresaw the run and good basketball that then occurred, along with some coaching changes that we had been waiting on since last year.
When people get angry, they'll lash out. Here. There. On a petition. Whatever. Fact is the petition never happens if this team plays last year like it should and wasn't nit bound 27 games in this year.
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You're a smart guy, you don't like me, but you're smart. Do you honestly, in your rational mind, think that U.T. would ever bring back Pearl, who embarrassed the U.T. administration by both lying to the NCAA, and staying the sports tabloids for his behavior away from the court? It was never going to happen. I could even understand a fire Cuonzo Martin petition, I wouldn't have agreed with it, but it would have at least made some sort of logical sense.

Serious question also, if Space doesn't hit two miracle 3 point shots for A&M, does the petition happen?
 
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TGVol said:
And those of us who supported Martin will be jabbing right back if the program goes downhill from here (reminding you all about the moronic petition - we will be here playing the role of your bad conscience).
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So you are a Cuonzo Martin fan instead of a UT fan?

You sound oddly hopeful for that downhill tract.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
So you think the petition was more motivation than not ending their college careers in the N.I.T?
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The quality of the opponents had more than a little to do with that late season run as much or more than them finding some motivation from the petition or Martin coaching for fear of his job.

People tend to gloss over that.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
The quality of the opponents had more than a little to do with that late season run as much or more than them finding some motivation from the petition or Martin coaching for fear of his job.

People tend to gloss over that.
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I agree with this somewhat. Having a chance to pull it together against some bottom feeders and get confidence back was a big part of what went on. However, the Mizzo game was huge, and was essentially an elimination game for the NCAA tournament. U.T. came out and handled them from the start. I was lucky enough to be in T.B. for that game, and it was a great atmosphere.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
You're a smart guy, you don't like me, but you're smart. Do you honestly, in your rational mind, think that U.T. would ever bring back Pearl, who embarrassed the U.T. administration by both lying to the NCAA, and staying the sports tabloids for her behavior away from the court? It was never going to happen. I could even understand a fire Cuonzo Martin petition, I wouldn't have agreed with it, but it would have at least made some sort of logical sense.

Serious question also, if Space doesn't hit two miracle 3 point shots for A&M, does the petition happen?
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first, I don't like the way some posters post. I don't know you. I'm sure most here are good folk.
second, I never thought Pearl could come back. Just too many factors. Would've liked it, but didn't think or hint that it could happen. I did say if I was AD that I would, without hesitation, but I'm biased.
And not sure about the Space hitting shots deal. Winning usually cures, but this team the last couple of years just wasn't enjoyable too often. Good basketball can be played slowing down, but bad basketball looks worse when slowed down and out of rhythm and we just played too much of it for the teams we had.
That said, if Martin and his team had played with the passion and aggressiveness of the last 10 or so games during the first @ 70 games or whatever, things could've worked out differently. But they waited too late last year and almost too late again this year. He didn't plan well for recruiting and it was going to hurt us for 2 years at least with or without him.
Like he said, it was just time for both parties. Multiple reasons.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Like he said, it was just time for both parties. Multiple reasons.
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I completely agree with this. Personally, I think things work out the same way, with or without the petition, with the petition only serving to hurt U.T.'s national image. I think we are going to disagree on that point, but that's ok.

I think U.T. needs to wish Martin well, put their heads down, sooth their current and former players, make a good hire, and give the new coach some time.
 
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