Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

[Glitch]

How I get back to mobile. Google volnation mobile. Should have a link for you

Logout. Close your mobile browser completely. Then reopen and log back in. That usually fixes it for me.

 

[Mike4Vols]

See there is the disconnect. This is the last I will say on it. People are soooo bent on proving themselves right that they can't even see what someone else is saying. I wasn't saying that you aren't right about the type of coach UT is gonna end up with. All I was saying is that it isn't a definite, such as you stated. It may very well be likely, but unless you are Dave Hart you can't legitimately make a guarantee of that.

See what I'm saying? I'm not saying you aren't right, just that to state it as fact isn't right.

Again, good call. :good!:

Being right ALL the time makes somebody OCI. And who wants to be that?

 

[OldVol49vfl]

My grandmother is a vandy fan. And the thing is, I'm not sure if that isn't that is better than liking soccer.

I'm sorry.
Nothing's worse than being a Vandy fan.
JMO FWIW

 

[Burger]

Miller makes about 335 grand a year. IF Hart were looking to hire him, no way should it take 1.8. Offer the guy a million and then IF he performs, it leaves a lot of room to give him a big bump in pay early on.

LV knows! Make it incentive loaded after 1 mill. Make him earn his money.

 

[Vols4us]

Miller makes about 335 grand a year. IF Hart were looking to hire him, no way should it take 1.8. Offer the guy a million and then IF he performs, it leaves a lot of room to give him a big bump in pay early on.

Miller's a take IMO. Comes from a strong basketball family. What he did with Dayton was special. He played 10 guys interchangeably. I would just want to make sure he married into UT. No more of these bouncers that try it or use it to get somewhere else. Want somebody that is willing to be a VFL like Butch and Dave.

 

[WriterVol]

I thought I'd make another chart to compare Team 117 against Team 118. The chart shows players we lost from Team 117 and who we replaced them with for Team 118.

Jaron Toney is still on the team.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Jaron Toney is still on the team.

"Still"

 

[WriterVol]

"Still"

Hey, man. Say what you will about Toney. He's been all over the field for this team. As far as I can tell he's done everything he's ever been asked by the coaches. It's always nice to have that kind of player.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Hey, man. Say what you will about Toney. He's been all over the field for this team. As far as I can tell he's done everything he's ever been asked by the coaches. It's always nice to have that kind of player.

I'm not saying he hasn't given his all and deserves a pat on the back but he's not an SEC caliber DB and should've never had to be counted on.

 

[NashVOL93]

Sorry. He's from La Tech. NEVER AGAIN. NEVER FORGET

He wasn't even there at the same time as Dooley, though.

 

[Maxwell]

Haha! Actually had ribs from a new place today.. They were really pretty good, sides sucked though.

Dickey's BBQ. It just opened up here in JC.

Good to know , I'm in Elizabethton , will have to go by there. And I guess get them to go.

 

[Smokey49]

How I get back to mobile. Google volnation mobile. Should have a link for you

Bless you!

 

[Smokey49]

Lol this is my view on PC mode...it's all the way in the bottom left corner, select iphone 2012...that's the one that I find to be the best, it displays peoples avatars.

That helped, too! Gracias!

 

[WriterVol]

I'm not saying he hasn't given his all and deserves a pat on the back but he's not an SEC caliber DB and should've never had to be counted on.

Agreed. I'm glad they have the talent now to give him a backseat. At the same time, I'm impressed with all the different roles he's played during his time there. Maybe he'll be on special teams and get a turnover or a key block this year.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

I thought I'd make another chart to compare Team 117 against Team 118. The chart shows players we lost from Team 117 and who we replaced them with for Team 118.

I've built a model that does a ranking, position by position, and compares the number of games each position was (subjectively) capable of winning last year versus where those positions project this year. I often have loads of idle time because as a trader I spend a lot of time monitoring and awaiting market developments. In that vein, Dave Hooker of TSR came out with a team stock report today. (I'm aware that Dave is not universally respected for his analysis.)

Here's the take he published for the masses:

Quarterback = Buy
Running back = Buy
Receivers = Buy
Offensive Line = Sell
Defensive Line = Sell (I disagree)
Linebackers = Sell (I strongly disagree)
Secondary = Buy
Special Teams = Sell (due to unsettled kicking)
Coaching = Buy
Overall = Buy


UT Football Stock Report - Tennessee Sports Radio - Tennessee Sports Radio

 

[Burger]

I've built a model that does a ranking, position by position, and compares the number of games each position was (subjectively) capable of winning last year versus where those positions project this year. I often have loads of idle time because as a trader I spend a lot of time monitoring and awaiting market developments. In that vein, Dave Hooker of TSR came out with a team stock report today. (I'm aware that Dave is not universally respected for his analysis.)

Here's the take he published for the masses:

Quarterback = Buy
Running back = Buy
Receivers = Buy
Offensive Line = Sell
Defensive Line = Sell (I disagree)
Linebackers = Sell (I strongly disagree)
Secondary = Buy
Special Teams = Sell (due to unsettled kicking)
Coaching = Buy
Overall = Buy


UT Football Stock Report - Tennessee Sports Radio - Tennessee Sports Radio

In a stock report, you'd do the opposite of this. Sell on the overvalued, and buy the undervalued. I'd buy every unit.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Wednesday saw a start of a waiting game that's really got no timetable in what is admittedly an uncomfortable time of the year to be hiring a basketball coach. As far as rumors that you could really sink your teeth into, it was a slow day, but not completely silent.

We've heard from enough different sources to comfortably say that both Ben Howland and Tubby Smith have reached out to UT or to intermediaries to let it be known they'd be very interested in the job. That's less than surprising in either case.

How attractive either would be as a candidate is debatable. Howland, because of three Final Four trips at UCLA far more recently than Smith has enjoyed success, probably is more realistic, but even then we've picked up vibes that Tennessee's first choice won't be someone that could be viewed as a guy who's just hanging on with one last job.

One real positive with Howland though is his proven recruiting acumen. As it pertains to Tennessee, he also showed late in his tenure at UCLA that his reach included Atlanta, signing high profile prospects Jordan Adams and Tony Parker from the area as part of his last recruiting class in Los Angeles.

As far as people Tennessee might have initiated contact with, that's harder to pin down at the moment. From what we've gathered today we feel it's pretty safe to say that both Donnie Tyndall from Southern Miss and Mike White from Louisiana Tech have at least received some sort of preliminary contact likely through a third part to gauge whether they'd be interested in discussing the job in more detail. Saying that either has been offered anything at this stage would be grossly premature, but we do believe it's fair to call them candidates.

Reports surfaced earlier today that Nebraska's Tim Miles had already been contacted and rebuffed interest. We think that both statements are a little premature. Given Miles lengthy contract and the recent and massive facilities upgrades at Nebraska, pulling him looks tough, but we still think he's someone Tennessee is researching.

We haven't been able to confirm that Xavier's Chris Mack, someone we added to the board this morning, has been contacted yet, but have been told by a couple of different sources that he would likely have interest in the job and it's been indicated to us that he's a candidate that Tennessee will look into. Mack is an Xavier alum with deep ties to the area, but in the reconfigured Big East, it's hard to argue that Tennessee doesn't have more to offer.

There's been a lot of chatter from people wondering what the ceiling is as far as a financial package Tennessee would offer an attractive candidate. Obviously that's a sliding scale as someone like White, who makes $600,000, isn't going to command the same kind of offer a Mick Cronin at $1.5 million is going to command.

In talking with multiple sources today, we've been hearing that Tennessee would put together a package in excess of $2 million for what was considered the right candidate, but in the current marketplace, that's not exactly an astronomical figure. Nothing we've heard in the last 24 hours suggests that Greg Marshall has been contacted, and that's a phone call that you probably need to be prepared to commit well north of $2.5 million before you even make it.

If that kind of money truly is in play, then Colorado's Boyle is probably a real option, and sources have indicated that he'd likely listen to Tennessee's pitch. But both Boyle and his family have deep ties to Colorado, and he's probably also in line for a raise.

-Rob Lewis

 

[ChattaTNVol]

In a stock report, you'd do the opposite of this. Sell on the overvalued, and buy the undervalued.

lol - that depends on whether you are starting from an oversold or overbought condition, right? I think we underperformed last year by 2 games. I think we should have won the Vandy game and maybe the Florida or Georgia game. So anyway, I think we're starting off with low expectations (outside the "entitled" fanbase) so that suggests to me we are oversold. Bears are feeling their oats. It's time for a short squeeze, at least until we clear their stops. lol. I figure their stops are at 7 so as bulls we push it at least that far. Right?

 

[wU-Tang Vol]

Where is WuTangvol at? I wonder if he heard about Andre Johnson today?

Wu-Tang Clan-associated rapper cuts off penis, jumps off building in suicide try: report - NY Daily News

Wtf

 

[Burger]

W

lol - that depends on whether you are starting from an oversold or overbought condition, right? I think we underperformed last year by 2 games. I think we should have won the Vandy game and maybe the Florida or Georgia game. So anyway, I think we're starting off with low expectations (outside the "entitled" fanbase) so that suggests to me we are oversold. Bears are feeling their oats. It's time for a short squeeze, at least until we clear their stops. lol. I figure their stops are at 7 so as bulls we push it at least that far. Right?

Flip it. Our team is so lowly valued we can only get better. Let's say 1 win is 1,000 bucks. Would you rather buy UT at 5,000 bucks and make up to 8,000. Or would you rather buy at 8 or 9 and only make five grand? I'd choose the first. A great sell example would be Auburn. They're so highly valued, they can only get worse unless they win a title.

I'm assuming everyone has the same amount of total equity.

 

[ChattaTNVol]

W

Flip it. Our team is so lowly valued we can only get better. Let's say 1 win is 1,000 bucks. Would you rather buy UT at 5,000 bucks and make up to 8,000. Or would you rather buy at 8 or 9 and only make five grand? I'd choose the first. A great sell example would be Auburn. They're so highly valued, they can only get worse unless they win a title.

I'm assuming everyone has the same amount of total equity.

I agree Auburn is a short if all wins are valued the same since unlike the market there is very little risk to the upside. I honestly think there are two variables with our team that bear close watching as if they align just right we could have a massive and totally unexpected breakout to the upside. I'm almost certain no one is going to expect us to be back before we breakout. They might be cautious but until we breakout I don't see many experts moving us above a hold. We are now basing for such a move. Butch is accumulating talent and when everything is ready the trend will be reversed. The wall of worry will endure long after the breakout so the ensuing trend will likely reach record highs.

 

[Burger]

I agree Auburn is a short if all wins are valued the same since unlike the market there is very little risk to the upside. I honestly think there are two variables with our team that bear close watching as if they align just right we could have a massive and totally unexpected breakout to the upside. I'm almost certain no one is going to expect us to be back before we breakout. They might be cautious but until we breakout I don't see many experts moving us above a hold. We are now basing for such a move. Butch is accumulating talent and when everything is ready the trend will be reversed. The wall of worry will endure long after the breakout so the ensuing trend will likely reach record highs.

The experts are idiots. Theres a reason why they aren't investors. Do you honestly think you'd lose wins? I bet we win atleast five, so I don't see how you wouldn't buy UT stock by the boatload. All we have is upside. 1 us dollar is one us dollar like one win is one win. On this one, We'd take advantage of people's hesistancy to sell too low. There is very little risk in the UT investment because the price is at the historical low. We can't get worse.

This would be comparable to Chrysler selling for 2.50 a share in the early 80's. The only difference is we have no chance of going under.

Remember sportstrade? They use to sell college teams, and players from major sports as stock. You always take unproven and hope it hits gold base off of your method.

 

[Mullins2010]

-Rob Lewis

Id take Mack in a heartbeat

 

[ChattaTNVol]

The experts are idiots. Theres a reason why they aren't investors. Do you honestly think you'd lose wins? I bet we win atleast five, so I don't see how you wouldn't buy UT stock by the boatload. All we have is upside. 1 us dollar is one us dollar like one win is one win. On this one, We'd take advantage of people's hesistancy to sell too low. There is very little risk in the UT investment because the price is at the historical low. We can't get worse.

This would be comparable to Chrysler selling for 2.50 a share in the early 80's. The only difference is we have no chance of going under.

Remember sportstrade? They use to sell college teams, and players from major sports as stock. You always take unproven and hope it hits gold base off of your method.

Maybe I'm not following what you're saying. I see us in a trading range. Since 2008 we've won between 5 and 7 games each year. So 5 is the bottom of our trading range and 7 is the top. You can't buy below 5 in my analogy because we haven't broken below support. Anything below 5 is irrelevant unless you're going short (not smart) or you want to buy some puts. Nobody is selling equity below 5. We're just not trading there.

Anyhow I don't know what you're talking about with sports books and betting. I have no experience with that. I was just playing off of Hooker's whether he thought we'd be better or worse in certain position groups and overall. I think we'll be as good or better everywhere except the offensive line and kicking and I think we could do better than expected in both of those areas and if we do we will likely win more games than we have since 2007. That would be a breakout of our recent trading range with resistance moving to the ceiling of 10 set in 2007 (if you include the bowl game).

Again, I was just killing time heading toward the European openings. Disregard if you don't follow. :hi:

 

[Burger]

Maybe I'm not following what you're saying. I see us in a trading range. Since 2008 we've won between 5 and 7 games each year. So 5 is the bottom of our trading range and 7 is the top. You can't buy below 5 in my analogy because we haven't broken below support. Anything below 5 is irrelevant unless you're going short (not smart) or you want to buy some puts. Nobody is selling equity below 5. We're just not trading there.

Anyhow I don't know what you're talking about with sports books and betting. I have no experience with that. I was just playing off of Hooker's whether he thought we'd be better or worse in certain position groups and overall. I think we'll be as good or better everywhere except the offensive line and kicking and I think we could do better than expected in both of those areas and if we do we will likely win more games than we have since 2007. That would be a breakout of our recent trading range with resistance moving to the ceiling of 10 set in 2007 (if you include the bowl game).

Again, I was just killing time heading toward the European openings. Disregard if you don't follow. :hi:

I do actually follow. It's not like you can't buy, hold, buy, hold, buy. I do get the trading range. We can't buy below five because our mkt value is at five. Nobody would be willing to sell to us below market value. You're correct about this. Your hypothetical breakout is exactly why I'm buying like a madman. Even if I have to hold next year.

I actually don't believe in shorting because you leverage yourself to your broker. You can actually go bankrupt if you shorted the wrong company.