Even More Obamacare Follies

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#1,977
Judge Holden said:
It isn't a right when production is in private hands. A state-owned industry would not price anyone out.
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It is not a right at all. Under state-owned industry, it is a given privilege, which is at the whim of the state-- so by definition it would not be a right.
 
#1,978
#1,978
Orange_Crush said:
It is not a right at all. Under state-owned industry, it is a given privilege, which is at the whim of the state-- so by definition it would not be a right.
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Er, no. Is access to public k-12 schools handed out at the "whim" of the state? If schooling was left to private hands, an equilibrium price would emerge that would prevent poor people from sending their kids to school.
 
#1,979
#1,979
Judge Holden said:
Er, no. Is access to public k-12 schools handed out at the "whim" of the state? If schooling was left to private hands, an equilibrium price would emerge that would prevent poor people from sending their kids to school.
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Yes. It is given out at the whim of the state. It is not a right. It was in private hands until the state decided to provide it, and it would fall back into private hands if the state decides to relinquish it.

I taught my kids to read. You should consider a bit of self sufficiency some time. Pardon me for not trusting the guy who hasn't worked in five years to design our greater society. Come to think of it, now I understand why you so desperately want everything given to you as a 'right'.
 
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#1,980
#1,980
Orange_Crush said:
Yes. It is given out at the whim of the state. It is not a right. It was in private hands until the state decided to provide it, and it would fall back into private hands if the state decides to relinquish it.

I taught my kids to read. You should consider a bit of self sufficiency some time. Pardon me for not trusting the guy who hasn't worked in five years to design our greater society. Come to think of it, now I understand why you so desperately want everything given to you as a 'right'.
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How can poor people teach their kids to read when books themselves have an equilibrium price that prevents poor people from owning them?
 
#1,981
#1,981
Judge Holden said:
It isn't a right when production is in private hands. A state-owned industry would not price anyone out.
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I'm glad you showed up. Please stay. I mean that sincerely. I rarely come across anyone who views things like this.

I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of things but do find it interesting.
 
#1,982
#1,982
Judge Holden said:
How can poor people teach their kids to read when books themselves have an equilibrium price that prevents poor people from owning them?
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How about using a library? It's free last time I looked.

Pretty equal price there for both the poor and the rich.
 
#1,988
#1,988
Grand Vol said:
I really want to know what drugs you're on.

Because I'm not sure if you are overdosing or not taking enough.
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I just make keen societal observations. When I see poor folks oppressed by the price system, I want reform. We have more than enough economic manpower and machinery to supply everyone who works with a good life. There are more than a million vacant homes in this nation, but 600,000 homeless.
 
#1,989
#1,989
Judge Holden said:
I just make keen societal observations. When I see poor folks oppressed by the price system, I want reform. We have more than enough economic manpower and machinery to supply everyone who works with a good life. There are more than a million vacant homes in this nation, but 600,000 homeless.
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Link to stats?

You do realize that bread wasn't even a right in communist Russia, right?
 
#1,990
#1,990
Judge Holden said:
I just make keen societal observations. When I see poor folks oppressed by the price system, I want reform. We have more than enough economic manpower and machinery to supply everyone who works with a good life. There are more than a million vacant homes in this nation, but 600,000 homeless.
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Keen? Don't confuse your ideology with valuable insights. If that's the criteria then anyone who has such strong ideological leans (even dreaded capitalist pigs) could make the same claim.
 
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#1,993
#1,993
Judge Holden said:
I just make keen societal observations. When I see poor folks oppressed by the price system, I want reform. We have more than enough economic manpower and machinery to supply everyone who works with a good life. There are more than a million vacant homes in this nation, but 600,000 homeless.
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lulz

You are seriously a trip. I'm still not entirely positive you aren't just trolling the crap outa us or you actually believe this.

So all things being equal, I want an Aston-Martin Vanquish Volante.

In that awesome shade of blue please.
 
#1,997
#1,997
The facts, jack:

1) The UE rate in russia was 0%. They found work for everyone.

2) There were no homeless people

3) The price system was planned in a way that ensured that nobody would be priced out of anything.
 
#1,998
#1,998
Judge Holden said:
The facts, jack:

1) The UE rate in russia was 0%. They found work for everyone.

2) There were no homeless people

3) The price system was planned in a way that ensured that nobody would be priced out of anything.
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Same Russia that imploded, correct?

Just want to clarify that point before moving forward.
 
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#1,999
#1,999
Judge Holden said:
The facts, jack:

1) The UE rate in russia was 0%. They found work for everyone.

2) There were no homeless people

3) The price system was planned in a way that ensured that nobody would be priced out of anything.
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Link to stats?

1) UE was offset by population control and forced labor camps.

2) Even people with apartments generally lived in homeless conditions.

3) Russia produced absolute **** products, except for military technologies.

4) There were food, toiletry, etc shortages. The only thing in abundance was vodka, so people could drown their miserable existence in alcoholism.
 
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