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#76
#76
SCowlsVOL said:
Yeh and basically wishing bad on your own team is just a great way of showing how big of a fan that you actually are.
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you do know that one can still root for a team and school, without actually liking the coach right?

Funny when coaches leave/get fired/move on, whatever, people always worry about recruits.. They always say, the kids should be coming to UT because they love the school. They commit to the school, not the coach.

Why is it any different for fans? Not liking the coach, has nothing to do with supporting the team. I'm sorry you can't separate the two.
 
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#78
#78
MRW checking this thread

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#79
#79
BanditVol said:
No, my point is that you have to stick your head way up your arse and ignore facts to have any expectations about the first year. Two All SEC players quit, and the rest were demoralized.

My point is that anyone expecting 20 or more wins the first year wasn't very bright. A loser, in other words. :)
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The thing is (and you would have noticed this if you had half a brain), we've had the same fundamental problems from day one.

How bad of a coach do you have to be to let Glenn Robinson Jr run last Maymon possession after possession before realizing you've got to go small ball to contend?
 
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BanditVol said:
Riigggghttt..did you know Billy Donovan was barely above 500 in his first two years at UF, then made the sweet 16 in his third?


Given that UF was his second stop, and he had two years at another school prior to that, do you think he was "tapped out on potential"? Should Florida have celebrated him leaving after making the Sweet 16, had he chosen to do so?
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This is akin to people using Saban's record at Michigan State as evidence for uber patience. You either got it or you don't.
 
#83
#83
VolArmy74 said:
I'm also very baffled that many of you who are whooping it up over this have said on this very board that you don't think Martin is the long term solution, just that you want to give him another year or two to see if he's for sure going to fail as much as you expect.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I am saying that while his performance the first three years was not flawless, there is more than enough there to at least let him play out the last two years of his contract, and even get an extension that we might, as you point out, have to later buy out.

I think the odds of that succeeding are much better than trying to find a new coach at this particular juncture.

My main concern with Martin at the moment is not his on court performance, which has steadily improved, but that we currently have a crappy recruiting class. He needs to get going on that IYAM.
 
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Volstylexx said:
you do know that one can still root for a team and school, without actually liking the coach right?

Funny when coaches leave/get fired/move on, whatever, people always worry about recruits.. They always say, the kids should be coming to UT because they love the school. They commit to the school, not the coach.

Why is it any different for fans? Not liking the coach, has nothing to do with supporting the team. I'm sorry you can't separate the two.
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I like Martin, I just think he's an average coach.
 
#85
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I do wonder if Martin was actually offered the job, or if he was offered and turned it down yesterday.

Because usually when you offer someone, you stop interviewing. Martin interviewed there yesterday, Wojo interviewed there today.

The only ones reporting that Marquette offered are the ones who were reporting that Martin was taking it.
 
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BanditVol said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I am saying that while his performance the first three years was not flawless, there is more than enough there to at least let him play out the last two years of his contract, and even get an extension that we might, as you point out, have to later buy out.

I think the odds of that succeeding are much better than trying to find a new coach at this particular juncture.

My main concern with Martin at the moment is not his on court performance, which has steadily improved, but that we currently have a crappy recruiting class. He needs to get going on that IYAM.
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Recruiting hasn't been the problem, at all. Who plays and when however has been a nightmare.
 
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GahLee said:
This is akin to people using Saban's record at Michigan State as evidence for uber patience. You either got it or you don't.
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So you're saying that you predicted Saban would have his current success while he was still at Michigan State? Really?

If you had looked at Billy D's record after two years at Florida, you would still have predicted he would win 2 (probably about to be 3) national championships?

Or...what the hell ARE you saying? Because you seem to be saying that you just somehow know that a coach "has it" without looking at their records.

In which case...we are done. Good lord. I can find a wall to argue with that makes a better case than you. :eek:lol:
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I do wonder if Martin was actually offered the job, or if he was offered and turned it down yesterday.

Because usually when you offer someone, you stop interviewing. Martin interviewed there yesterday, Wojo interviewed there today.

The only ones reporting that Marquette offered are the ones who were reporting that Martin was taking it.
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Apparently someone there wants him but there is more than one man making the call.
 
#91
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GahLee said:
Recruiting hasn't been the problem, at all. Who plays and when however has been a nightmare.
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Okay...one more.

I didn't say recruiting HAS BEEN a problem. I said it IS THIS YEAR. Good lord.

Good night. :)
 
#92
#92
BanditVol said:
I can't speak for everyone, but I am saying that while his performance the first three years was not flawless, there is more than enough there to at least let him play out the last two years of his contract, and even get an extension that we might, as you point out, have to later buy out.

I think the odds of that succeeding are much better than trying to find a new coach at this particular juncture.

My main concern with Martin at the moment is not his on court performance, which has steadily improved, but that we currently have a crappy recruiting class. He needs to get going on that IYAM.
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At this point it has to work. If it doesn't and he is raised/extended and we have to buy him out at a hefty sum, we're certainly screwed on the amount of capitol for the next coach. If Hart raised and extended him as much as has been reported and the buyout clause is similar, we're all in now.

I also can't believe any of the major booster stories are true at this point. If they were, I don't think Martin would be returning under any circumstance.
 
#93
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BanditVol said:
So you're saying that you predicted Saban would have his current success while he was still at Michigan State? Really?

If you had looked at Billy D's record after two years at Florida, you would still have predicted he would win 2 (probably about to be 3) national championships?

Or...what the hell ARE you saying? Because you seem to be saying that you just somehow know that a coach "has it" without looking at their records.

In which case...we are done. Good lord. I can find a wall to argue with that makes a better case than you. :eek:lol:
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Like I said earlier, Martin wasn't doing anything differently during the tournament then he had the previously.

Suspect coaching all the way through. UT got some favorable draws. Those teams couldn't handle UT's inside game.

Michigan forces him to coach and it took him a half to adjust to something a child could see.
 
#94
#94
K-town Vol Fan said:
Wrong.
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Not wrong at all. You don't offer Coach A a job, then interview Coach B the next day before Coach A gets back to you on it. What if both said "yes".

Martin either turned them down yesterday, or it wasn't officially offered yet. Nothing else really makes sense.
 
#95
#95
BanditVol said:
Okay...one more.

I didn't say recruiting HAS BEEN a problem. I said it IS THIS YEAR. Good lord.

Good night. :)
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How do you know? Josh Richardson was a 3* player and he's far and away the best player on UT's roster.
 
#96
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VolArmy74 said:
Not wrong at all. You don't offer Coach A a job, then interview Coach B the next day before Coach A gets back to you on it. What if both said "yes".

Martin either turned them down yesterday, or it wasn't officially offered yet. Nothing else really makes sense.
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Again, they've made a mess of this search, if they're not careful they may end up hiring their 5th choice.
 
#99
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GahLee said:
Like I said earlier, Martin wasn't doing anything differently during the tournament then he had the previously.

Suspect coaching all the way through. UT got some favorable draws. Those teams couldn't handle UT's inside game.

Michigan forces him to coach and it took him a half to adjust to something a child could see.
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You do know Martin took Maymon out after Michigan's first 2 possessions cause they went right to GR3 and he abused Maymon? Maymon can't sit the whole game and plus Reese and Moore were on GR3 the majority of the rest of the game. Moore did fine but Reese got abused. Also you say it took Zo till half time to get it together, but halftime adjustments are coaching. I'm not a big Zo fan but your posts have been stupid
 
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