Same sex marriage ban ruled unconstitutional in Michigan

[FLVOL_79]

People at work identify you as Jon the Bigot?

hmy:

Sometimes..Its because I don't like Puerto Ricans. What can I say, I am bigoted towards Islanders. I think its an Orlando thing though..

I have two black friends so I escape being called racist. :good!:

 

[FLVOL_79]

Do you make salads for a living? I used to work at a restaraunt with a man we called John the Bigot. I would always send him sweet messages like "I love you John" or "toss my salad", because he was a huge homophobe.

Nope. Never worked in a restaurant in my life. I'm eating a salad though right now on the taxpayers dime.

 

[FLVOL69]

Sometimes..Its because I don't like Puerto Ricans. What can I say, I am bigoted towards Islanders. I think its an Orlando thing though..

I have two black friends so I escape being called racist. :good!:

I wish people could differentiate between the two..lol

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

What unbigoted reason could you possible have?

I think marriage should be just between a man and a woman. Why does that make me a bigot? If I am then we are all bigots, atheists like you especially.

 

[Grand Vol]

Automatically, no - but in all fairness, usually.

If you've got a lucid, rational reason that doesn't revolve around "it's disgusting and icky because jesus" then lets hear it.

I have a question for you along these lines...

Why is it if someone holds spiritual beliefs that homosexuality is wrong it's automatically irrational?

ETA: And the second point would be what makes your viewpoint more rational than mine?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It's also amusing that some see identify being labeled a 'bigot' as some sort of victory badge for their argument or otherwise vomit a canned straw man argument like christian persecution.

Of course. Atheists cannot be bigots against Christians right?

 

[VOLatile]

I have a question for you along these lines...

Why is it if someone holds spiritual beliefs that homosexuality is wrong it's automatically irrational?

ETA: And the second point would be what makes your viewpoint more rational than mine?

My viewpoint is based on observable and replicable facts.

 

[Grand Vol]

My viewpoint is based on observable and replicable facts.

And you didn't answer the first part. Why is someone irrational because they choose to have a system of spiritual beliefs?

And furthermore, what gives you the right to make a determination your viewpoint is more valid especially in something based in morality where facts have zero consequence over opinion?

Your viewpoint on this matter is an opinion, not fact based.

 

[Septic]

I have a question for you along these lines...

Why is it if someone holds spiritual beliefs that homosexuality is wrong it's automatically irrational?

ETA: And the second point would be what makes your viewpoint more rational than mine?

I often find that when people use certain words so often, they don't stop to think about what they really mean. You just used the term "spiritual beliefs" to dictate a sense of morality and/or justification of a sense of wrong.

On the surface it's seems benign, probably due to indoctrination and repetition, i don't know. Harmless as it may seem, that term has oft been used as a belief in supernatural deity(s) (of some sort). That's shaky footing for dictating public policy. What if I used my belief in Thor to deny rights to people who only live in Oklahoma - would that be considered rational? Honestly?

Spiritual beliefs, not rational.

To answer part two of your question... One of us "believes" in an unseen, unheard, unknown 'omnipotent' sky god.

One of us rejects that assertion due to lack of evidence. Being rational, to me, means that truth is dictated by predictive reason and analysis and not tradition, ideology or "belief".

 

[Septic]

Of course. Atheists cannot be bigots against Christians right?

To clarify, atheists aren't just intolerant of christians. In fact atheists and christians actually share in a common thought. Christians believe that 99.999% of other religions are wrong, atheists believe that number to be 100%.

More in common than you thought. No?

 

[FLVOL69]

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[Septic]

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You not being able to link to an image properly is the epic fail. Also, which one are you? Curly?

 

[FLVOL69]

You not being able to link to an image properly is the epic fail. Also, which one are you? Curly?

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[82_VOL_83]

Pretty likely the south never would've been desegregated had a popular vote decided it

Ignorance, the north was having bussing and segregation issues long after the south.

 

[Grand Vol]

I often find that when people use certain words so often, they don't stop to think about what they really mean. You just used the term "spiritual beliefs" to dictate a sense of morality and/or justification of a sense of wrong.

On the surface it's seems benign, probably due to indoctrination and repetition, i don't know. Harmless as it may seem, that term has oft been used as a belief in supernatural deity(s) (of some sort). That's shaky footing for dictating public policy. What if I used my belief in Thor to deny rights to people who only live in Oklahoma - would that be considered rational? Honestly?

Spiritual beliefs, not rational.

To answer part two of your question... One of us "believes" in an unseen, unheard, unknown 'omnipotent' sky god.

One of us rejects that assertion due to lack of evidence. Being rational, to me, means that truth is dictated by predictive reason and analysis and not tradition, ideology or "belief".

However, you stated that "give me a rational explanation that doesn't involved God" (paraphrased). So you have already made the predetermined position that any answer involving spiritual matters is automatically irrational.

So hence, you are being intolerant of a different opinion than yourself.

Wait, where have I heard that before? It's a definition of something...maybe I can find it...of course! Found it!

Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So again, what makes your viewpoint stronger or more rational when it comes to facts of morality? If I object to homosexuality based on my spiritual beliefs, does this make me irrational? Does a belief in a divine being make me irrational?

How do you ever function in today's world surrounded by so many irrational people?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

To clarify, atheists aren't just intolerant of christians. In fact atheists and christians actually share in a common thought. Christians believe that 99.999% of other religions are wrong, atheists believe that number to be 100%.

More in common than you thought. No?

Not really you're way off. However you have proven that you're a irrational bigot.

 

[Septic]

However, you stated that "give me a rational explanation that doesn't involved God" (paraphrased). So you have already made the predetermined position that any answer involving spiritual matters is automatically irrational.

So hence, you are being intolerant of a different opinion than yourself.

Wait, where have I heard that before? It's a definition of something...maybe I can find it...of course! Found it!

Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

So again, what makes your viewpoint stronger or more rational when it comes to facts of morality? If I object to homosexuality based on my spiritual beliefs, does this make me irrational? Does a belief in a divine being make me irrational?

How do you ever function in today's world surrounded by so many irrational people?

It's hard.

 

[Septic]

Not really you're way off. However you have proven that you're a irrational bigot.

I'm not off at all, it's simple math.

Atheists just reject one more god than you do.

If I'm a bigot because I'm intolerant of people dictating public policy due to their belief in a super hero, then I can totally live with that.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I'm not off at all, it's simple math.

Atheists just reject one more god than you do.

If I'm a bigot because I'm intolerant of people dictating public policy due to their belief in a super hero, then I can totally live with that.

You're an irrational bigot because you're intolerant of religious people. It has nothing to do with public policy. It's got everything to do with you thinking religious people are stupid.

 

[gcbvol]

Sounds like everyone is intolerant of something. At least we all have that in common.

 

[MercyPercy]

It's hard.

Tell me about it..

 

[Grand Vol]

Tell me about it..

You need to get an avi.

 

[MercyPercy]

You need to get an avi.

I don't know if I'm quite ready for that type of commitment!

 

[n_huffhines]

How so? Should have just put all of eggs in the Irish indentured servant basket?

1) the notion that slavery could ever be a necessity is outrageous and absurd

2) the notion that we wouldn't have peanut butter today or everything else we have if it weren't for slavery is almost equally absurd.

 

[Septic]

You're an irrational bigot because you're intolerant of religious people. It has nothing to do with public policy. It's got everything to do with you thinking religious people are stupid.

Meh, whatever helps you get through the night.