Why Butch Jones had nothing and EVERYTHING to do w/the loss to Bama

[TUSKtimes]

I have some warriors but not enough.

It was Pruitt that sent them on the field. That's his team and you don't throw YOUR team under the bus. Just support them during combat, they're paying him enough.

 

[Sudden Impact]

It was Pruitt that sent them on the field. That's his team and you don't throw YOUR team under the bus. Just support them during combat, they're paying him enough.

Sounds like you want a Cheerleader for a Coach and not a Reality Check....He didn't throw this team or any players under the Bus. Trust me if you think the players heard the Statements CJP spoke publicly for the first time, then you have no clue.
The players were not surprised by his remarks nor was it the first time they had heard them.

Under the Bus throwing is debatable, no names just a group called out. Some will embrace the challenge, some will walk away but the ones that stay will grow from it.

Do you want Success Right Now or do you want Success done Right? Clue: There is no Instant Gratification in this process, many don't understand that in this day and age.

 

[BeecherVol]

It was Pruitt that sent them on the field. That's his team and you don't throw YOUR team under the bus. Just support them during combat, they're paying him enough.

Your comprehension level is under a bus. He praised the group doing it right and put the ones on notice that are not. 7 games into the season your getting into your 2 deep and 3 deep more. Eventually some of them are gonna get on the field. There is a distinct separation in the groups that you and a handful of others are failing or not capable of seeing. Our starting safety made some similar remarks it's not a big secret within the team who's in what group.

 

[turdherder11]

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HC in waiting @ bama . lol!

 

[TUSKtimes]

Sounds like you want a Cheerleader for a Coach and not a Reality Check....He didn't throw this team or any players under the Bus. Trust me if you think the players heard the Statements CJP spoke publicly for the first time, then you have no clue.
The players were not surprised by his remarks nor was it the first time they had heard them.

He wasn't speaking to his team, he was talking to you and me. Why do we need to know they aren't any good? We saw the first half for ourselves. A real morale killer.

Do you want Success Right Now or do you want Success done Right? Clue: There is no Instant Gratification in this process, many don't understand that in this day and age.

The best thing about great coaches is they make you believe you're better than you are. Being prepared emotionally is at least as important as physically if the players are ever motivated to play over their heads. That ain't gonna happen with Pruitt.

 

[#VFL1983]

HC in waiting @ bama . lol!

This isn't something to laugh about. I guarantee that a Butch Jones led Alabama team would never lose to Tennessee. Nick Saban isn't an idiot. The reason he hires Tennessee castoffs is because they're talented coaches. Butch Jones couldn't turn Tennessee around, but that doesn't mean he's not a great coach. No coach, not even Saban himself, could pull UT out of the gutter at this point. The sooner we realize that, and stop firing talented coaches (like Dooley, Butch, Pruitt) the better. The constant turnover and turmoil is only making this worse and putting us even further behind Vandy and UK.

 

[BeecherVol]

He wasn't speaking to his team, he was talking to you and me. Why do we need to know they aren't any good? We saw the first half for ourselves. A real morale killer.

And there you have a completely different idea from the other you are pitching.

He stated what everyone already knew including his players. One team is more talented and playing with a different purpose than we are as a whole. They are the standard in which we are striving to get to. Breaking News!

If he was talking to us, did it hurt your morale? It didn't bother mine. He didn't tell anyone anything they wouldn't already know if they followed coaching changes especially one with this drastic of a change in just about every area. Saturday shouldn't have been a surprise. There is a massive gap in talent and some of the talent that is here is not accepting the change very well or not at all.

 

[Sudden Impact]

He wasn't speaking to his team, he was talking to you and me. Why do we need to know they aren't any good? We saw the first half for ourselves. A real morale killer.

The best thing about great coaches is they make you believe you're better than you are. Being prepared emotionally is at least as important as physically if the players are ever motivated to play over their heads. That ain't gonna happen with Pruitt.

Nice to know that the players on that team AL, CJP had a hand in their recruitment, development, and their transition to the next level. You don't think he has changed anything since he left Alabama and became the Head Coach at Tennessee.

What we witnessed on Saturday was a difference in culture and men vs boys on a football field. Our players are soft and were not coached. Our trench warfare is getting better and will continually get better as we grow up.

You can talk about competition for position all you want (Jones), but you need to create a standard and you need depth to properly do so. Jones, a good coach, no way, he was a micromanager of his staff and had no clue what was needed to build a SEC Caliber Tm. He gave the competition thing for position a lot of lip service and he was conning us.

Plucking a coach with zero SEC experience is a waste and expecting a result that will lead to an immediate turn around is a ludicrous. Jones turned it into a downward spiral

Yeah making a player believe he is better than what he is, needs Coaching not lip service. If they are not Coached or trained or not provided with the tools to reach a standard.. then, we are throwing them to the wolves. Alabama.

Emotionally vs physically they need both but the infections have to be removed. Some players under Jones got away with it and until several incidents occurred that the media got wind, Jones just coasted. Tell this to Kamara and to Hurd. Hurd was smart enough to realize it, but Jones was not. Most of the truth came out. Most of the players were there to play football and Jones pandered them and several left when the pandering stop or when they felt it was best not to hang around with this coach. Don't forget the Helmet Gate either.

 

[TUSKtimes]

Nice to know that the players on that team, CJP had a hand in their recruitment, development, and their transition to the next level. You don't think he has changed anything since he became the Head Coach at Alabama.

We we witnessed on Saturday was a difference in culture and men vs boys on a football field. Our players are soft and were not coached. Our trench warfare is getting better and will continually get better as we grow up.

You can talk about competition for position all you want (Jones), but you need to create a standard and you need depth to properly do so. Jones, a good coach, no way he was a micromanager of his staff and had no clue what was needed to build a SEC Caliber Tm.

Plucking a coach with zero SEC experience is a waste and expecting a result that will lead to an immediate turn around is a ludicrous.

Yeah making a player believe he is better than what he is needs Coaching not lip service. If they are not Coached or trained or not provided with the tools to reach a standard.. then, we are throwing them to the wolves.

Emotionally vs physically they need both but the infections have to be removed. Some players under Jones got away with it and until several incidents occurred that the media got wind, Jones just coasted. Tell this to Kamara and to Hurd. Hurd was smart enough to realize it, but Jones was not. Most of the truth came out. Most of the players were there to play football and Jones pandered them and several left when the pandering stop or when they felt it was best not to hang around with this coach. Don't forget the Helmet Gate either.

And you can accomplish every bit of that by keeping your business in-house. The players get to keep their dignity and Pruitt gets to act like a head coach. Everyone wins.

 

[Sudden Impact]

And you can accomplish every bit of that by keeping your business in-house. The players get to keep their dignity and Pruitt gets to act like a head coach. Everyone wins.

How do you know that this has not already happened? Business in house. Pruitt did not arrive yesterday. Again, Assumptions. Never threw a single player under the bus. Jones did. It's a matter of trust and I trust CJP knows what he is doing and that most of the players have not given this a second thought, Just the message boards and the media.

Playing favorites and sugar coating will get you nowhere See Jones for reference.

 

[theFallGuy]

It was Pruitt that sent them on the field. That's his team and you don't throw YOUR team under the bus. Just support them during combat, they're paying him enough.

Oh please, no one was singled out and thrown under the bus. We are purging the Champions of Life here at Tennessee. Either get on board or get over it.

 

[TUSKtimes]

How do you know that this has not already happened? Business in house. Pruitt did not arrive yesterday. Again, Assumptions. Never threw a single player under the bus. Jones did. It's a matter of trust and I trust CJP knows what he is doing and that most of the players have not given this a second thought, Just the message boards and the media.

Playing favorites and sugar coating will get you nowhere See Jones for reference.

What he said with a CBS microphone in his face wasn't anyone's imagination. That leaves it to everyone's interpretation. Another reason you don't let stuff out for public consumption when it belongs in-house.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Tusk just ride the wave.

This is a Paralysis of Analysis thread. No posters will be converted either way at this moment.

You are just throwing your 2 cents worth in and that is ok, but you may not convert any to your of way thinking. Good Luck fishing.........

 

[TGFHeupel16]

It was Pruitt that sent them on the field. That's his team and you don't throw YOUR team under the bus. Just support them during combat, they're paying him enough.

No it’s not, it’s Butch Jones players. He’s in the process of making it “his team.” Saban would’ve said the same thing. We have a Real football coach. GBO

 

[BeecherVol]

And you can accomplish every bit of that by keeping your business in-house. The players get to keep their dignity and Pruitt gets to act like a head coach. Everyone wins.

Which specific players lost their dignity by his comments?

 

[jbr82]

Goodness

 

[allvol17]

I would like to point out that after the Georgia game, Pruitt went and greeted the players he recruited. And it was well received by those players.

Nobody went to see Botch and his cigar smoking arse...and Botch didn’t bother to seek anyone out.

Speaks volumes if you ask me.

 

[BowlBrother85]

This isn't something to laugh about. I guarantee that a Butch Jones led Alabama team would never lose to Tennessee. Nick Saban isn't an idiot. The reason he hires Tennessee castoffs is because they're talented coaches. Butch Jones couldn't turn Tennessee around, but that doesn't mean he's not a great coach. No coach, not even Saban himself, could pull UT out of the gutter at this point. The sooner we realize that, and stop firing talented coaches (like Dooley, Butch, Pruitt) the better. The constant turnover and turmoil is only making this worse and putting us even further behind Vandy and UK.

One of the dumbest posts I have ever seen. You're right about one thing... Saban is not an idiot which is why he is not trusting Jones with any tangible responsibility. Saban has even called Jones "an intern".

And as a program, you are dead wrong about Tennessee. They have the necessary resources to compete.

 

[Sudden Impact]

This isn't something to laugh about. I guarantee that a Butch Jones led Alabama team would never lose to Tennessee. Nick Saban isn't an idiot. The reason he hires Tennessee castoffs is because they're talented coaches.

Yea it is Laughable, the post and then the thought. How anyone could conceive such a thought process as dumb as this is Very Laughable.

Saban is not an idiot neither is the Administration at Alabama. Why waste the brain power even thinking this.....You must have a lot of time on your hands.

I doubt Jones never gets past internship and all he is doing is hanging out while his family lives here in Knoxville.

Sad thing about this is that Butch will more than likely end up with a Championship Ring which was undeserved.

It will look good on a Coaching Resume but the Reality is that everybody will know it was not earned and he was just along for the ride.

 

[BeecherVol]

This isn't something to laugh about. I guarantee that a Butch Jones led Alabama team would never lose to Tennessee. Nick Saban isn't an idiot. The reason he hires Tennessee castoffs is because they're talented coaches. Butch Jones couldn't turn Tennessee around, but that doesn't mean he's not a great coach. No coach, not even Saban himself, could pull UT out of the gutter at this point. The sooner we realize that, and stop firing talented coaches (like Dooley, Butch, Pruitt) the better. The constant turnover and turmoil is only making this worse and putting us even further behind Vandy and UK.

The used car salesman lost 3 of 5 to Vandy while coaching at UT. And is credited with the worse season in the history of the program. And all of this happened during the worst stretch of football for the east division since the split.

Dooley didn't have a winning record at La Tech and that didn't change (and wasn't going to change) at UT.

Neither of them would have been successful here if given 2 decades to do it.

The jury is still out on Pruitt.

 

[CaliVol2009]

Keep telling yourself...

Motivating players to get better by stating in public they aren't good enough to get better with proper coaching doesnt work for anyone, Dooley, Jones or Pruitt.

A much better answer to a stupid question would simply be "We're gonna coach them up". Take the responsibility on him and the coaching staff in public. That's my opinion and would be the opinion of many if CBJ had said the same thing Pruitt did at any point in his tenure.

Keep telling yourself that.
CJP is still a rookie and will likely continue to make rookie mistakes. Hopefully there will be enough coaching performances similar to what we saw against Auburn to offset these coaching gaffes sure to come. Otherwise we will be looking for a new coach much sooner than anyone on here prefers.

Blah blah blah.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Nice to know that the players on that team AL, CJP had a hand in their recruitment, development, and their transition to the next level. You don't think he has changed anything since he left Alabama and became the Head Coach at Tennessee.

What we witnessed on Saturday was a difference in culture and men vs boys on a football field. Our players are soft and were not coached. Our trench warfare is getting better and will continually get better as we grow up.

You can talk about competition for position all you want (Jones), but you need to create a standard and you need depth to properly do so. Jones, a good coach, no way, he was a micromanager of his staff and had no clue what was needed to build a SEC Caliber Tm. He gave the competition thing for position a lot of lip service and he was conning us.

Plucking a coach with zero SEC experience is a waste and expecting a result that will lead to an immediate turn around is a ludicrous. Jones turned it into a downward spiral

Yeah making a player believe he is better than what he is, needs Coaching not lip service. If they are not Coached or trained or not provided with the tools to reach a standard.. then, we are throwing them to the wolves. Alabama.

Emotionally vs physically they need both but the infections have to be removed. Some players under Jones got away with it and until several incidents occurred that the media got wind, Jones just coasted. Tell this to Kamara and to Hurd. Hurd was smart enough to realize it, but Jones was not. Most of the truth came out. Most of the players were there to play football and Jones pandered them and several left when the pandering stop or when they felt it was best not to hang around with this coach. Don't forget the Helmet Gate either.

So 10 months into the new regime and they haven't received any coaching? 10 months in and the S&C hasn't yet kicked in?


Sounds like we are in for a few more years of not competing...

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

Blah blah blah.

Such a concise reply.

Also very informative in the sense that we now know the extent of your ability to detail your thoughts.

Thanks. And it would be nice if you'd limit all of your addition to the forum to that specific reply. I would suggest just copying that post and hitting paste for each of your replies going forward. Will save a lot of time for yourself and those who might otherwise reply to you.

Take care.

 

[BeecherVol]

So 10 months into the new regime and they haven't received any coaching? 10 months in and the S&C hasn't yet kicked in?


Sounds like we are in for a few more years of not competing...

If they are not receiving "any" coaching right now its gonna be a lot more than a few years because Pruitt will be fired in 3 if thats true.

Ive got a friend on the team who's dad was an SEC player, that is not accurate at all.

To S&C, as bad as the car salesman was at coaching and managing a locker room his biggest blunder was in S&C. That was the worst situation in the entire program and there was plenty to pick from. 10 months is not remotely enough time to fix that from where that was left, and thats assuming everybody buys into the new program which I can tell you is substantially more demanding.

 

[05_never_again]

The ones working their asses off, aren't the ones to which he was referring.

Butch recruited a bunch of athletes, but not all star ratings are equal, we have plenty of talent on this team that wouldn't see the 2nd string at top P5 programs, but would ball out at Cincinnati or Colorado State, because that's the type of program Butch spent 5 years building.

Some of these guys don't have the mental aptitude or fortitude to play football at the level necessary for success in the SEC.

What you are seeing now are nominally good recruiting classes that have been gutted via attrition and are demoralized. I can't name specific guys because I'm not at practice or in the locker or meeting rooms, but there almost certainly are a lot of demoralized, disillusioned guys on that team. When they committed in 2015 or 2016, they didn't sign up to be in this position as juniors and seniors.

Butch was a good recruiter, but even his abilities in that area were overrated. I believe only 11 guys from that 2015 class remained on the team, and it ain't because they were all so good they left as juniors and got drafted. That class should be forming the core of the team now, but a ton of them are gone.