Why all the Fulmer hate?

[FirstAndGoal]

No Fulmer hate, but would LOVE to kill this stupid thread.

 

[Slydell]

No Fulmer hate, but would LOVE to kill this stupid thread.

Would be nice but their are butt hurt people out there that think they have a right to trash Phil to the extreme that it has become.

 

[TN_Transplant]

I'd like to know who you are, we were teammates in '86.

He won't tell you that. It would expose him as the fraud he is, like when I asked for facts and data about him working in NFL.

 

[Slydell]

He won't tell you that. It would expose him as the fraud he is, like when I asked for facts and data about him working in NFL.

There are posers and pretenders everywhere. Sad state of affairs.

 

[OleRockyTopTennessee]

Ok, I have to ask. Where does all this deep seated actual hate and loathing of all things Phillip Fulmer come from?

Sincerely, I want to know, because I really don't get it. All he did was win for us. Sure he had 2 bad seasons out of 16. But even the 2005 season, we were competitive. While we should have done better (and did the next year) it's not the crap show that we saw this past season. The biggest affront I can find on this season is the loss to Vandy.

2005
Opponent Result
UAB W*17–10**
at*No. 6*Florida L*7–16**
at*No. 4*LSU W*30–27*OT*
Ole Miss W*27–10**
No. 5*Georgia L*14–27**
at*No. 5*Alabama L*3–6***
South Carolina L*15–16**
at*No. 8*Notre Dame L*21–41**
Memphis W*20–16**
Vanderbilt L*24–28**
at*Kentucky W*28–7**


2008 could arguably be compared more to this past season, but even then, we didn't lose to Vandy and Kentucky in the same year. And by all accounts, the Wyoming game was thrown in protest by the players.

2008
Opponent Result
at*UCLA L*24–27*OT*
UAB W*35–3**
No. 4*Florida L*6–30**
at*No. 15*Auburn L*12–14**
Northern Illinois W*13–9**
at*No. 10*Georgia L*14–26**
Mississippi State W*34–3**
No. 2*Alabama L*9–29**
at*South Carolina L*6–27**
Wyoming L*7–13**
at*Vanderbilt W*20–10**
Kentucky W*28–10**



So explain to me why a coach with these record and accomplishments is so reviled with such venom, please. I truly just don't get it.

Head coaching record
Overall 152–52
Bowls 8–7


Accomplishments and honors

Championships
1 National (1998)
2 SEC (1997, 1998)
SEC Eastern Division (1997, 1998, 2001, 2004, 2007)

Awards
AFCA Coach of the Year (1998)
Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (1998)
George Munger Award (1998)
Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (1998)
Sporting News College Football COY (1998)
SEC Coach of the Year (1998)

College Football Hall of Fame
Inducted in 2012

Because people will always find complaints to something. Reminds me of spoiled rotten kids that whine when they don't get what they want. Same kind of people here

 

[Backwards K]

Fulmer was awesome 1992-1998, no question. But, his last 10 years,1999-2008, yielded only 3 Eastern Division titles, 2001, 2004, and 2007.

I certainly don’t hate him, but I look at his coaching career realistically. After going 5-7 in 2008, it was time for him to go.

In that period of time that you said led UT to the point of firing Fulmer, the Vols were 85-41 which is a winning pct of .675 good enough for 19th in the country for that period and 5th best in the SEC. Plus, the .675 winning pct is better than Johnny's winning pct of .645 the entire time he was at UT.

in that 10 year period that you say proves Coach Fulmer should have been fired, the Vols finished 1st in the East 3 times and tied for 1st in another year. Finished 2nd three times and 3rd once. Went to the Fiesta Bowl, 2 Cotton Bowls, 2 Peach Bowls, 2 Outback Bowls and a Citrus Bowl.

The Vols finished in the top 10 twice, the top 15 3 more times and the top 25 two more times. Plus, the Vols had a a recruiting class in the top 4 when he was fired. It included Bryce Petty and Tajh Boyd.

Yeah, I can see how that was such a good idea to fire him.

 

[82_VOL_83]

None of them get the ongoing and continuing threads dedicated to each for what they did. They were all complete losers and contributed absolutely nothing good to the program. But, there are those that hate/dislike Fulmer so much, for some trumped up reason, that Fulmer hate threads have become regular around hear.

I believe that your infatuation with Fulmer is giving you cataracts. The only Fulmer hate threads are started by chin wipers starting why do they hate Fulmer threads. NO ONE hates Fulmer. We only "hate" - to use your term - people like you. I don't hate the guy but he needed to go before he was fired. I've also made it clear why I think he is a jerk when the spotlight is not on him. Yes, he was incredibly successful. Should have been moreso than he was. Whether this was due to his ego or the AD, he couldn't hire Coaches worth a damn. If it weren't for him being friends with Cutt, he would never have climbed back in the 2000's.

 

[114VOL]

In what way? I certainly don't see it that way after reviewing in my mind things that have happened from 1992 through now.

Was first asked to retire at the end of 2008 season and refused

"I think I've built some equity here" Fulmer, when asked if he though his job was in jeopardy during woeful 2005 season.

"We've won a bunch of games up here. It's not like we don't know what we're doing" Fulmer, when asked about continuing problems with football team in 2005

Plus, in 1992, after Majors was fired told then AD Dickey he was leaving and taking some assistants with him if he didn't get HC job.

 

[MadWorld]

Fulmer was awesome 1992-1998, no question. But, his last 10 years,1999-2008, yielded only 3 Eastern Division titles, 2001, 2004, and 2007.

I certainly don’t hate him, but I look at his coaching career realistically. After going 5-7 in 2008, it was time for him to go.

Hey wait.. You left off all the SEC and East titles since he left.

:hmm:

 

[114VOL]

In that period of time that you said led UT to the point of firing Fulmer, the Vols were 85-41 which is a winning pct of .675 good enough for 19th in the country for that period and 5th best in the SEC. Plus, the .675 winning pct is better than Johnny's winning pct of .645 the entire time he was at UT.

in that 10 year period that you say proves Coach Fulmer should have been fired, the Vols finished 1st in the East 3 times and tied for 1st in another year. Finished 2nd three times and 3rd once. Went to the Fiesta Bowl, 2 Cotton Bowls, 2 Peach Bowls, 2 Outback Bowls and a Citrus Bowl.

The Vols finished in the top 10 twice, the top 15 3 more times and the top 25 two more times. Plus, the Vols had a a recruiting class in the top 4 when he was fired. It included Bryce Petty and Tajh Boyd.

Yeah, I can see how that was such a good idea to fire him.

If UT hadn't won the NC in 1998, he would have been fired after the pathetic 2002 season, where we were 2 years removed from the nation's no. 1 signing class and had a no. 5 preseason ranking.

13-31
13-34
3-41
3-30
14-41
6-34
20-59
17-41

those are the scores of games, most at home BTW, with our biggest rivals in the 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2007 seasons. Notice I didn't even bring up any game in the 2005 and 2008 seasons.

Plus, we were having multiple player arrests yearly. When he returned to the team in 2006, Cutcliffe, on two different occasions, said it was the most undisciplined team he had ever seen

 

[Lurker]

Fulmer was awesome 1992-1998, no question. But, his last 10 years,1999-2008, yielded only 3 Eastern Division titles, 2001, 2004, and 2007.

I certainly don’t hate him, but I look at his coaching career realistically. After going 5-7 in 2008, it was time for him to go.

Yikes! Do you realize how you sound???

I thought it was time for a change, too; however, Phil Fulmer won 3 Eastern Division SEC titles in 7 years! How many have been won in the last 10 years?

A change was probably in order, but Fulmer was light years beyond the coaching capabilities of his replacements---hopefully until now.

 

[Snapper58]

Was first asked to retire at the end of 2008 season and refused

"I think I've built some equity here" Fulmer, when asked if he though his job was in jeopardy during woeful 2005 season.

"We've won a bunch of games up here. It's not like we don't know what we're doing" Fulmer, when asked about continuing problems with football team in 2005

Plus, in 1992, after Majors was fired told then AD Dickey he was leaving and taking some assistants with him if he didn't get HC job.

OK

He had

Again he had

I would also if passed up.

Forget to mention in his next to last year SEC East Champions. How many times since????

 

[114VOL]

Yikes! Do you realize how you sound???

I thought it was time for a change, too; however, Phil Fulmer won 3 Eastern Division SEC titles in 7 years! How many have been won in the last 10 years?

A change was probably in order, but Fulmer was light years beyond the coaching capabilities of his replacements---hopefully until now.

LOL...that's what our fans think. Unfortunately for him, no one of any significance wanted him to coach their team after he was fired here. And yes, he made it well known he wanted to coach again

 

[Lurker]

LOL...that's what our fans think. Unfortunately for him, no one of any significance wanted him to coach their team after he was fired here. And yes, he made it well known he wanted to coach again

Read carefully, friend. I compared him to his replacements. I did not say he was America's coaching sensation.

I thought it was time for a change because I think the effectiveness of all coaches (make that "most" coaches) simply wears off over time. It certainly happened at UT. The changes after Fulmer, however, were handled just about as poorly as they could have been.

He was better than what we've had since was the point. Kiffin the wonder-kid struck out and is at a mid-major, Dooley got a job with a buddy and Jones is likely headed back to the MAC.

 

[Backwards K]

If UT hadn't won the NC in 1998, he would have been fired after the pathetic 2002 season, where we were 2 years removed from the nation's no. 1 signing class and had a no. 5 preseason ranking.

13-31
13-34
3-41
3-30
14-41
6-34
20-59
17-41

those are the scores of games, most at home BTW, with our biggest rivals in the 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2007 seasons. Notice I didn't even bring up any game in the 2005 and 2008 seasons.

Plus, we were having multiple player arrests yearly. When he returned to the team in 2006, Cutcliffe, on two different occasions, said it was the most undisciplined team he had ever seen

As it has become evident, unless you are Nick Saban, success runs in cycles. Tennessee was in a down cycle but even in the down cycle, the Vols won 68% of their games, they were still playing in the SEC Championship Game every 3 years and going to NYD Bowl Games. People like you were saying things like anyone could accomplish this at Tennessee. Well, we are waiting.

The odds are Tennessee would be in much better shape and would have played in 2 or 3 SECCGs in the 10 years since Fulmer was fired if he had been retained. He had one losing season and bounced back to win the EAST right after that. He would have done it again.

Most of you are either Majors' apologists or young guys who don't remember how great Tennessee had it during the Fulmer years. Ask the men who played for him. He is loved and respected by an overwhelming majority of his former players. I respect their opinions.

 

[Iam4utalways]

QB play led to too many losses.

Too many losses is why PF was fired.

Any beef with PF other than too many losses might be considered petty.

I've not had enough dealings with PF to consider any other than the score board.

 

[Snapper58]

QB play led to too many losses.

Too many losses is why PF was fired.

Any beef with PF other than too many losses might be considered petty.

I've not had enough dealings with PF to consider any other than the score board.

Actually the losses were not the reason CPF was fired. He was fired because there was an idiot AD who had gotten lucky on one hire for a little while. He hired Bruce Pearl and he had quite a bit of success before lying to the NCAA (which is why Kiffen didn't garner more attention at the time). He wanted to make the Athletic department in his image. He fired a baseball coach that would take us to the world series every few years, refused to hire anyone in football that had connections to the old Tennessee program, and you can see where we are now. We have a solid BB coach, possibilities with our baseball coach and possibilities with our football team. You did notice that once Pearl was fired, it was not log for Hamilton to go out the door, didn't you????????

 

[Slydell]

I believe that your infatuation with Fulmer is giving you cataracts. The only Fulmer hate threads are started by chin wipers starting why do they hate Fulmer threads. NO ONE hates Fulmer. We only "hate" - to use your term - people like you. I don't hate the guy but he needed to go before he was fired. I've also made it clear why I think he is a jerk when the spotlight is not on him. Yes, he was incredibly successful. Should have been moreso than he was. Whether this was due to his ego or the AD, he couldn't hire Coaches worth a damn. If it weren't for him being friends with Cutt, he would never have climbed back in the 2000's.

Good to see that you finally got down to your base. Trying to color other's posts, calling names and continuing to offer nothing noteworthy to the thread.

 

[Iam4utalways]

Actually the losses were not the reason CPF was fired. He was fired because there was an idiot AD who had gotten lucky on one hire for a little while. He hired Bruce Pearl and he had quite a bit of success before lying to the NCAA (which is why Kiffen didn't garner more attention at the time). He wanted to make the Athletic department in his image. He fired a baseball coach that would take us to the world series every few years, refused to hire anyone in football that had connections to the old Tennessee program, and you can see where we are now. We have a solid BB coach, possibilities with our baseball coach and possibilities with our football team. You did notice that once Pearl was fired, it was not log for Hamilton to go out the door, didn't you????????

The losses openned the door for everything else you said.

If we had won the SEC in 2005 and 2008 PF would not have been fired. But that didn't happen and here we are.

There is a difference in how Mac at Florida handled the death threats from Florida fans and how PF was fired. One was for losses and Mac was fired for the way he handled the death threats from Florida fans(Although he probably got death threats due to losses.). Freeze got set up. Even if Freeze says he used the company phone to call the escorts, I won't believe it. He may end up being a slime but he isn't that sloppy. To tell that lie would mean there is more to cover up.

 

[norrislakevol]

LOL...that's what our fans think. Unfortunately for him, no one of any significance wanted him to coach their team after he was fired here. And yes, he made it well known he wanted to coach again

You mean like Les Miles.....another coach that did nothing but win for the most part.

 

[Slydell]

Was first asked to retire at the end of 2008 season and refused

"I think I've built some equity here" Fulmer, when asked if he though his job was in jeopardy during woeful 2005 season.

"We've won a bunch of games up here. It's not like we don't know what we're doing" Fulmer, when asked about continuing problems with football team in 2005

Plus, in 1992, after Majors was fired told then AD Dickey he was leaving and taking some assistants with him if he didn't get HC job.

I'd really like to see links to those quotes to understand the context under which they occurred. Can you help me with that? I'd really appreciate that.

 

[Slydell]

Actually the losses were not the reason CPF was fired. He was fired because there was an idiot AD who had gotten lucky on one hire for a little while. He hired Bruce Pearl and he had quite a bit of success before lying to the NCAA (which is why Kiffen didn't garner more attention at the time). He wanted to make the Athletic department in his image. He fired a baseball coach that would take us to the world series every few years, refused to hire anyone in football that had connections to the old Tennessee program, and you can see where we are now. We have a solid BB coach, possibilities with our baseball coach and possibilities with our football team. You did notice that once Pearl was fired, it was not log for Hamilton to go out the door, didn't you????????

Snapper, I salute you. I'm so tired of all the BS posts on here surrounding Coach Fulmer. I don't know why all the negative posts started back then. I have an idea, but no proof. Pendleton (local half ass reporter) really buried that knife in Phil's back at that time.

 

[HoptownVol]

I'd really like to see links to those quotes to understand the context under which they occurred. Can you help me with that? I'd really appreciate that.

Links? LOL Fulmer said those things, go find your own links.

 

[GreveHaller]

Links? LOL Fulmer said those things, go find your own links.

if he said them, they should be easily found.

Sly's position is he didnt say them so there's nothing for Sly to find. That's not the way it works.

If you'd like to help Snapper and find them, he'd probably appreciate it.

 

[Snapper58]

if he said them, they should be easily found.

Sly's position is he didnt say them so there's nothing for Sly to find. That's not the way it works.

If you'd like to help Snapper and find them, he'd probably appreciate it.

I know that I will get flamed for this, but I mostly rely on my first hand information of what goes on at UT. I see articles all the time that are slanted do to who the writer gets their information. I can say that I was witness to much of the goings on that occurred when CPF was fired and have tried to some extent to get correct information to the many people on this site that want to know. I know that their are many people that want to push their own agenda and views. That is how people are. If you had been slighted at least in your view by CPF in the past then you will be more likely to believe the negative parts. I do not claim to be an expert in this area, but I do have some first hand information that I have tried to relay. I do not like people bashing others when they do not really know the whole story.

EDOT: Thanks Sly for the assist.:clapping: