Ok NCAA, follow the NFL again

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wmcovol said:
& outlaw the hip drop tackle.
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no.

what is a defender supposed to do? Wrap his arms around the guy and hope he tires out? What happens when defenders start getting hurt when they have to try and tackle a guy 6 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier from the upper body?

or what happens when defenders now have to go straight for the ankles? thats a lot more injuries too.
 
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LouderVol said:
no.

what is a defender supposed to do? Wrap his arms around the guy and hope he tires out? What happens when defenders start getting hurt when they have to try and tackle a guy 6 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier from the upper body?

or what happens when defenders now have to go straight for the ankles? thats a lot more injuries too.
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Defenders have been tackling runners from behind since the game began. In recent years, the hip drop tackle has been introduced that prevents the ball carrier falling forward & gaining another yard or two.

The risk for serious injury with the full weight of the defender falling on the ball carriers legs, knees, ankles etc is too much simply for a yard or two.
 
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The kickoff rule would be better, that one actually seems like it has safety in mind since they won't have speeding battering rams going downfield.
 
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wmcovol said:
Defenders have been tackling runners from behind since the game began. In recent years, the hip drop tackle has been introduced that prevents the ball carrier falling forward & gaining another yard or two.

The risk for serious injury with the full weight of the defender falling on the ball carriers legs, knees, ankles etc is too much simply for a yard or two.
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The "hip drop tackle" has been in football since the game began. It used to be called "a tackle".
 
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LouderVol said:
no.

what is a defender supposed to do? Wrap his arms around the guy and hope he tires out? What happens when defenders start getting hurt when they have to try and tackle a guy 6 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier from the upper body?

or what happens when defenders now have to go straight for the ankles? thats a lot more injuries too.
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LouderVol said:
no.

what is a defender supposed to do? Wrap his arms around the guy and hope he tires out? What happens when defenders start getting hurt when they have to try and tackle a guy 6 inches taller and 70 pounds heavier from the upper body?

or what happens when defenders now have to go straight for the ankles? thats a lot more injuries too.
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It’s about more offense not safety
 
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I am not one of those against actions that jeopardize player safety, but tackling was hard enough when it was anything goes. But, man, my defenders got to have someway to bring a man down.
Horsecollar. OK
Targeting. Of course. Wish there was a better way to determine whether it warrants an ejection, but no one wants guys spearing each other anymore.
Tripping. Don't see it much, but very against the rules of football. Junior year of HS, playing LT, and I remember an opponent's players tripped the entire game. The ref's didn't see anything the whole game. Last play of the game, they were on the two yard line and a TD wins them the game. Their RT threw his leg about 2ft behind him and tripped our end and the the refs called tripping.
 
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How is a defender supposed to tackle a guy, especially a bigger one from behind? Jump on his back and ride him? Go low for the legs?
 
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wmcovol said:
Defenders have been tackling runners from behind since the game began. In recent years, the hip drop tackle has been introduced that prevents the ball carrier falling forward & gaining another yard or two.

The risk for serious injury with the full weight of the defender falling on the ball carriers legs, knees, ankles etc is too much simply for a yard or two.
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There is nothing new in recent years other than ever-increasing stupidity in the NFL league offices.
 
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hog88 said:
How is a defender supposed to tackle a guy, especially a bigger one from behind? Jump on his back and ride him? Go low for the legs?
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The same way they've been doing it for years. Hip drop tackles, actual hip drop tackles the NFL will penalize, is not a common tackle at all. In the entirety of the 2023 season the NFL said there were 230 hip drop tackles. In the 544 regular season games played, although I don't know if they're including post season, that comes out to less than .5 per game. But it is 25 times more likely to cause an injury.
 
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TheDeeble said:
The same way they've been doing it for years. Hip drop tackles, actual hip drop tackles the NFL will penalize, is not a common tackle at all. In the entirety of the 2023 season the NFL said there were 230 hip drop tackles. In the 544 regular season games played, although I don't know if they're including post season, that comes out to less than .5 per game. But it is 25 times more likely to cause an injury.
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TY.
 
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wmcovol said:
Defenders have been tackling runners from behind since the game began. In recent years, the hip drop tackle has been introduced that prevents the ball carrier falling forward & gaining another yard or two.

The risk for serious injury with the full weight of the defender falling on the ball carriers legs, knees, ankles etc is too much simply for a yard or two.
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it absolutely can matter. I can think of plenty one or two additional yards that were huge deals in games at the college level, I am sure its the same in the NFL.

getting hurt is the part of every sport ever. these aren't dirty plays, its not done to hurt someone.

its really hard to sell that you care about their safety when ALL of these changes have been made to favor the offense. If the defense has a strike zone, why doesn't the offense? Can't catch balls over your head, because that puts players in vulnerable positions. can't catch balls below your knees, that puts players in vulnerable positions. can't have pulling guards making crack back blocks.

the rise of the hip drop tackle came up because normal tackling has been outlawed, the law of unintended consequences. the next style change will also lead to injuries. injuries are part of the game, as long as it isn't dirty it shouldn't be a penalty.
 
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